Albaby's Early Japanese Journey

About two weeks after visiting Japan, the jet lag has finally subsided, and I’m spending more time back to learning rather than looking up visa requirements for how to move there (yes, we loved it that much). Now that I’m not trying to get as far as possible as fast as practical in preparation for the trip, I’ve seriously changed my study methods.

I’ve caught up on my Bunpro reviews, and I’ve decided to stop adding new material for a while so I can concentrate on trying to actually nail down and internalize where I am now (almost the end of N4). Instead, I’ve added Anki decks for the two manga series I’m trying to read. Running the anki decks ahead of reading the manga has really been helpful for me.

I’m cutting my italki sessions back to once a week from biweekly - enough to keep some output going, but it’s not as much a priority. Instead, I’m trying to spend a lot more time reading and listening. Again, the two manga series and NHK News Easy for reading, for the most part, and podcasts for listening (hello Teppei my old friend…)

I’d say my biggest struggle right now is the introduction of a number of keigo/kenjougo forms in the back half of the N4 grammar deck. I’m having a hard time keeping them straight, especially the 〜てください vs. お + Verb Stem + ください vs. 〜ていただけませんか different formulations. If anyone has something they could recommend that might help me keep track of them, it would be most appreciated.

Otherwise, I’m just keeping on keeping on. みんな頑張ってください!

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Another entry in my “diary” of my Japanese journey:

I’m probably going to make a change in my reading material. I was very excited to get some actual manga from my trip, and I wanted to use that as my next step. But my effort to shift into the manga has not been fruitful. I’m finding it to be a little too far beyond where I am. I’m no more than mid-N4, and I’m still struggling to read even Yotsubato, much less Barakamon.

I had tried setting up an Anki deck with the vocab from the manga, thinking that would help me get closer to the dream of i+1 while reading. But it’s not working for me. The extra SRS load has just been more than I enjoy, and even then it’s just not hitting very well - because so much of the vocab is expressions, outbursts, or grammar points that are just really difficult to learn without context.

So I think I’m going to switch to Satori reader for a while, rather than continuing with the mangas. I was reluctant to pick up another subscription service (there’s only a limited amount of content that’s outside the paywall). However, I think I need to have a little more input that consists of full simple sentences at a lower level. The content probably won’t be as engaging, but the constant reaching for Google Translate wasn’t doing me any good.

Other than that, continuing with weekly italki, a range of podcasts, and NHK News Easy. And of course, Bunpro for SRS. Still moving ahead even though my initial impetus (trip to Japan) has passed, so glad for that!

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This was really interesting to read. Thanks for sharing your journal!

I’m studying for a trip in January 2027, so about five months out. I studied Chinese in college, so I have a leg up on kanji recognition, but I’m otherwise starting from about 25% of the way through N5 earned from a stint of Japanese study in 2023.

I’m curious how much value you think you got out of the italki lessons, in retrospect. If you had it to do over again, would you have done more of them? Less?

rtackhooper -

Oh, it’s wonderful that you’re going to get to go - and I hope you have an amazing trip! My family can’t wait to go back, after having such an incredible experience.

I would say I got good value out of my italki lessons, but I think I had unrealistic expectations at the very beginning. I had been self-studying for about six months before I signed up, so I had a pretty firm grasp on rudimentary N5 grammar. I had also listened to a fair amount of spoken japanese with very beginner-level podcasts, so I had a sense of how the language should be spoken. I thought I would be heading towards some basic conversational skills, like I had done when learning Spanish.

And it helped somewhat. My italki sessions got me a little more comfortable with the general concept of spoken Japanese and some practice listening to it. An hour per week to speak the language out loud and listen to an instructor gave me much more facility with exceptionally simple phrases, both listening and producing. I felt it was very worthwhile. I wouldn’t have done more, just because I didn’t really have the time or budget that I wanted to allocate to that. I absolutely valued what I got. And many times during the trip I was able to use my broken Japanese, speaking and listening, to get us out of jams when no one spoke English.

But Japanese is hard. Hard for everyone, and (apparently) especially hard for English speakers. I was able to make myself somewhat understood in very limited circumstances, but anything approaching the types of sentences a five year old could make was beyond me. Partially that’s because I simply couldn’t get my head around SOV vs. SVO sentence structure, but also because it’s just so hard to do output in real time if you’re translating. Same with listening to native speakers talking normally, rather than slowing down a bit and using only the basic vocabulary and sentence structure in order to be understandable.

So where I ended up was: enough Japanese to have fun practicing with people like cab drivers and waitresses who were willing to “play along” with having a little chat with the American. But not enough Japanese to have a “real” conversation with folks, even at a basic level. I could communicate with the konbini clerks about how to pay or where the drinks were, but if I got in a cab with a driver who didn’t speak english I didn’t have enough japanese to explain to them how to get to my hotel.

TL;DR - it was worthwhile because I plan to continue learning Japanese. I did not get enough speaking facility with 1 hour a week over 6 months to have much in the way of substantive conversation, but could do idle chat with cabbies and use broken sentences to get out of a confusing situation at time.

One piece of advice I got that I wish I had earlier: MASTER KATAKANA. More than anything else, I wish I had really drilled down on learning Katakana to the point where I could sight-read it. There’s so much Katakana that’s useful to be able to read, and so much of it is English loanwords (or an approximation of it), that I really wish I didn’t have to sort of sound it out in my head.

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I wouldn’t say that there is this idea that you could ‘lock in’ and master katakana over some shortish time, and then magically you can read all katakana words easily. To me, the most you can do individually is make sure you can quickly understand all the kana so that you can figure out a word without reference, but in order to sight read any given word quickly, I don’t think there’s any substitute for having seen that word or very similar words many times before. That is, just more vocab study and reading things in the wild is what will get you there. (It’s like pretending having done RTK in a month or 2 means you have mastered Kanji, rather than it just being a tool added for you to quickly recognize otherwise unknown kanji words. Useful yes, mastery no.)

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Good point. What I should have said is that I wish I had studied enough to the point where I could instantly recognize the kana themselves, not sight-read the words. At the time of my trip, I was there with hiragana - because I see all the hiragana all the time. But I was still having to puzzle out and remember what ヌ and メ corresponded to, and even with more common katakana it still took me a second or so to get all the sounds lined up. I think it would have been useful for me to spend more time just really drilling katakana leading up to the trip so that I had some more facility reading them.

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Checking in again, I’m still moving along! And even a year plus in, still figuring out what works for me, since everyone’s language path is different!

I’ve found Satori Reader to be a really good fit for me, and I’ve switched almost all of my reading practice over there. Their beginning stories are almost exactly the perfect level for me - simple N5 grammar, repetitive vocabulary over multiple chapters to allow for absorption through reading. The spoken version of the stories seems like it’s at the pace of natural Japanese as well, which is good exercise. So my physical books are on hold for now.

I’m also trying to use the new (or new-to-me) “Troubled Content” feature here. Right now, I’ve just got too many terms in it to effectively use it for cramming yet - so I’m clearing some of it out by resetting some terms back to zero. I’m also using it as a guide to identify the grammar structures I have the most trouble remembering.

Still looking for ways/places to speak Japanese with other people. Miami just doesn’t have a lot of opportunities. I’ve only found one local meetup, but it’s very far from where I live. I might have to just stick with shadowing for now.

My journey continues…

I’m finding this log to be therapeutic and a good motivator. So here’s another update.

I have my routine set now, I think. Bunpro for vocab and grammar, aiming for about 175-200 daily reviews. Satori Reader for…well, for reading. Three sections per day of beginner content. It’s really a good fit for me, better than trying to force my way through manga just yet. Anki for kanji - ten new per day, for now. The goal is to get through the Joyo kanji by summer, which would be the end of year two of my Japanese journey. One iTalki session per week, and listening to podcasts for at least 20 minutes of drive time each day. It ends up being about a 45-60 minutes of active studying plus whatever listening I do in the car.

I’ve still been avoiding new Bunpro content while trying to clear out the Troubled Content. In place of what my new cards would be, I’m just resetting ten or so TC cards back to zero and taking them as my new content. It’s been productive, and I’ve got my accuracy back up to a more healthy ~85% or so, which is both aiding my retention and making the reviews go faster. I’ll start adding back new content this week.

Finally, as part of resetting the old grammar, I’ve decided to give myself permission to just skip some of the sonkeigo and kenjougo if I don’t get it after resetting. I know and recognize all the forms, but I just can’t figure out which ones to use from the hints in the cards. For what I’m going to use the language for in the next several years, I think that’s fine, and I’m tired of beating my head against the wall not recognizing the prompts for things like -te kurenai vs. -te itadakemasen.

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