Bunpro's bad SRS algorithm is discouraging

[Just posting here as well so that other users can also see]

This was indeed a bug and the issue has now been fixed!
It should accurately display your Review’s new level now.

Good news is, this bug was a display issue, which means your Review’s progress should be accurate from when you set that setting.

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I’ve set mine to “half” a few days ago and I love it already. Ghosts always felt like a chore, but getting a different question to something you failed in a timely manner is nice, and getting it right because it’s only been a bit since you failed it feels good :slight_smile:

Thanks for making that change!

(And I’m thinking of just turning ghosts completely off. Not sure if there’s much of a point to them anymore.)

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Of course this doesn’t solve the SRS issue but I love this option nonetheless, I just switched to a more strict SRS and turned off ghosts.
It seems like a much better option to me as it avoids getting 5 repetitions of a single sentence.

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Commenting as I too have turned on the stricter SRS (Just 1 → 2) and find it already a great improvement. The grammar points I keep failing now trickle down back into the early stages much more often allowing me properly practice those points.

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Any idea when this option will come to the mobile app? I’m eager to check these features, but for now they are only available on desktop.

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Other than the setting not being available in the app, these changes are global. So if you set it via the website, it will still impact your next review timing and apply the srs strictness.

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Is there a way to have different SRS stricter level for vocab and grammar? Or is it not recommended? I would like it to be more strict on grammar than for vocab.

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In a future update we will include changes to how ghost reviews are timed and also add an option in an advanced settings section to allow you to use FSRS.

Do you have any timeframe on when this will be? Would it be by the end of the year? Since I’ve started using FSRS for Anki (and found it so amazing), I am slightly more reluctant to use Bunpro’s SRS if FSRS hasn’t been implemented yet.

It might potentially be sometime before end of the year. We have other things in progress that we want to finish up before this would be slotted in. I’ll be sure to do a post about it when we do release it though, along with a notification.

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I haven’t been able to go through all of the post history, but please leave an option to continue using the current SRS system if you add FSRS. Long story short I have found that FSRS doesn’t work well for my particular study habits, and it certainly wouldn’t work for how I like to use Bunpro personally. The existing functioning of the website suit my workflow perfectly.

Just wanted to add that data point. I know giving customers more options can be confusing, you can hide it in some preferences menu, as long as I can keep using it I’ll be happy.

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We will 100% keep the default our SRS system as it is the one that best supports our learning philosophy and the way we set content up.

The FSRS implementation will be an opt in setting that users can use if they so choose.

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Chiming into say I also prefer the current SRS system you have for grammar, as you’re not receiving the same word (or sentence) each time so FSRS would make it extremely difficult if you get a fast 4 month waiting gap on a sentence you haven’t even seen before.

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Would the FSRS setting be global or could it be set for only grammar or vocabulary? Given that rote memorization is more effective on vocab than on grammar, it might make sense to only use FSRS on that since that’s what FSRS is optimized for.

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It does seem like an issue, because here you can see i learned something months ago, and im struggling on it, and yet bunpro would rather just lead me long the slow path, almost in a way to just keep me subbed, rather than just to help me learn by showing me the problematic point at sooner intervals, why should it take a month to see something im 50/50 at? i clearly dont know it

If this was Anki, id be seeing this problematic grammar point every day

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It’s not a permanent fix, but I’d do in your case is put all example sentences on ghost manually, it helped me immensely to learn some grammar points

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For the time being I’ve decided to use the setting to drop my missed points to beginner 0. All my other SRS methods do this so I figured it’ll help a bit more

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I think that bunpro should do this, automatically. As you say, there are lots of reasons why people get things wrong, and the platform’s response should vary depending on what happened.

Typos are the obvious example, but if a user always gives the same wrong answer, then it probably reflects a confusion (with a different grammar point).

One common example for me is that I get the てform of a verb wrong, while knowing the correct form of the actual grammar point. This should not penalize the grammar point, but the てform grammar point.

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I don’t understand. Why bother. You have better things to do that support things you don’t believe in.

I can see the value in having it for plain old JP → EN flashcards that will always be the same information.

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Would love to see FSRS for plain vocab Flashcards. I’ve been add vocab cards that I run across in the wild to Bunpro instead of another SRS app, and i think FSRS would enhance that experience.

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