Chimmsen's slow and cozy Japanese journey

When I started learning (even though it was just a few years ago) there were fewer tools available. JPDB was being actively developed at a fairly rapid pace back then with some promised features being ones I wanted to use. Unfortunately a lot of those features never came to fruition and the dev has essentially abandoned the project as it stands. Basically, these days I would mention JPDB as a tool to be aware of but there are better options. Bunpro’s vocab system now exists and the quality of beginner Anki decks has shot up massively as well.

JPDB does support importing and there is a janky exporting system of sorts so it is possible to use it as a tracker. This is probably the main reason I would suggest being aware of it as it currently stands. I actually did this for a short time, marking entire books and shows as known so I could see how many words I had come across. I didn’t find it that useful personally, especially as JPDB mostly has media I am not interested in in its database. Maybe others would find it useful though.

What I would suggest these days is to use Natively as a way to find easy or level appropriate material. The meta on what was easy when I started actually involved a bunch of stuff that is a step or two up from the super easy stuff (which Chimmsen is currently ploughing through speedily!). As Chimmsen uses Bunpro for vocab it may be a better suggestion to set up a custom deck for a show they wanna watch and then use that to track their coverage or slowly chip away at it in the background. If I personally were starting out again today I would just roughly follow the Natively difficulty rankings as Chimmsen is doing already though, so long as it is interesting.

As for listening, using Japanese subtitles definitely helps but if it isn’t an option then I’d say you just gotta bite the bullet and go for it. I do believe there should be some options for getting subtitles working if you search around (although it would likely involve moving to a service that isn’t Crunchyroll and using a VPN, etc).

Hope that info is helpful. Good luck and enjoy!

Edit: Just thought of something I did when starting out which may be of use for the listening dilemma. I used to watch a show with English subs first and then the next day or week I would watch it again with no subs. This meant I was already primed to catch things and it helped me start to connect the dots and pick out certain phrases. If you have the patience for it then I would recommend it.

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Thanks for sour thorough response, I enjoyed reading it. I’ll keep the database in mind, but if it’s not easy to use or requires a more technical set-up that’s difficult to do on mobile, it’s probably not the right fit for me. And you’re right, I have been very happy with natively so far :slight_smile: I had no trouble finding things to read that are easy AND enjoyable :slight_smile:

Listening comprehension requires a bit more learning time by exposure, that’s fine. The amount of beginner friendly anime on crunchyroll I’m willing to watch is rather small, though. But the amount of anime I can watch with english subtitles is huge and I will gain more understanding eventually :slight_smile: My first steps towards reading manga weren’t successful too, but now I’m reading beginner manga like a champ :slight_smile: So I’ll get there eventually :slight_smile:

This will probably be my approach for now :slight_smile: I’m not the biggest fan of rewatching, since I get bored easily, so my pauses will be probably be a few weeks. But with precure right now, I just watched half the show with subtitles and then stopped (i was watching it together with someone who lost interest halfway through), so now I can prime my listening with 20 known episodes to get used to it and then have 30 fresh episodes that will keep me on my toes. :slight_smile:

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Lo-Fi beats youtube music intensifies

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hahahaha, yeah! my playlist non-stop, obviously :slight_smile:

What would a slow and cozy journey be without low-fi music?

Today I’ve slain my last ghost! :smiley: In the beginning I didn’t know they existed or that I could deactivate them, so I accidentally created a bunch of them while dumping the N5 vocab in. It’s deactivated for now and in the future I will manually add some ghost for really troublesome vocab or for rare cases/nuances I always forget.

I’m still watching Precure and it already became easier… or maybe my tolerance for not getting some parts of the dialog just got better :sweat_smile: but either way, watching has become more enjoyable and I hope my ability is enough to still understand the plot when I catch up to the new episodes.

For reading: after finishing gal to dino (such a good read, highly recommended!) I started 黒. I’m only a few pages in, having no furigana slowed me down more than I expected. I also started 魔法少年なつき×らびっツ | L23 on a whim. Watching precure really left me with the need for a cute magical bunny boy and Daifuku (the bunny in precure) didn’t deliver so far :sweat_smile:. While it’s like a whole grade more difficult, it’s manageable at a slow pace.

On another whim I decided to google workingsheets for japanese elementary school children and they are so fricking cute? I’ll probably add some kanji ones to supplement my kanji learning, as I decided to follow the japanese curriculum for kanji.

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I think I chose too hard of a reading material :sweat_smile: Reading started to become a chore instead of fun and where is the point in that? Especially for such cute manga like 黒 or magical bunny boy :sweat_smile: They are on hiatus until my japanese improves a bit.

Especially manga without furigana will have to wait until I feel more comfortable with kanji. While I have a nice setup where I just draw the kanji on mobile to get the meaning, it takes too long and sometimes I have to try multiple times. And the kanji retention is zero, so even if the same kanji comes up on the next page, I already forgot :sweat_smile:

So I will just slowly follow my plan of learning the kanji in the order they are taught in schools, while immersing myself with fun japanese work sheets for elementary school kids and some nice readers graded by school level. Making myself some handwritten flashcards with vocabulary related to the kanji I’m learning.

And until I finish elementary school I will read furigana only manga :sweat_smile: Starting now with the entirety of Yotsuba, which is a very fun and cute read and comes with an insane amount of books.

Oh and even though my reviews still hover around 500 I started adding one N4 grammar point every other day, cause those won’t blow up my reviews and it feels like progress :slight_smile:

Hope everybody has a nice weekend :slight_smile:

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Maybe watch anime that you’ve already seen with subs? I find Japanese subs helpful.
Crunchroll never has Japanese subs, Netflix and Youtube often do. I Also watch Let’s Plays and Cooking Shows are easier to follow.

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Unzip and open the .srt or .ass in notepad on a computer. Then copypaste into email or so you can send it to your phone

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Thanks! I’ll take a look if that’s feasable for me :slight_smile: I have restricted access to a computer, but occasionally I can use one. :slight_smile:

Haha, I get bored very easily, so I avoid rewatching things. What I’m currently doing is watching half with subtitles, then rewatching first half and watching the second half without subtitles. Let’s see how far this approach will take me :slight_smile:

Hooooray! :partying_face: Today I got my reviews down to zero! Looking at the forecast, I’ll still get around 70 reviews a day back again, but that leaves me with a bit of wiggle room to add new content again. I aim for around 100 reviews a day, but I wouldn’t mind if they go up to 200 occasionally.

I finished the first Yotsuba manga today and while it had more text than I’m used to, the vocab and sentence structure was easier than expected. I even had a lot of pages without any lookups. To me it seemed like they used almost exclusively N5 vocab and grammar. Now onto book 2 :slight_smile:

Still doing first grade kanji sheets and I do really enjoy them. I also learn a lot of vocab, that’s based on those kanji. Favorite one so far: 花見酒 which contains two first grade kanji and an N5 kanji.

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One of my favourite words is 昔話, it just has a nice “mouth-feel” when you say it hahah

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Hah, this IS a great word and it rolls easy off the tongue :slight_smile: One of the kanjis is second grade, so I’ll be adding the word then :slight_smile: Thanks!

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Hey! Could you let me know how you’ve managed to get access to the books you’ve been reading? I can see on Natively where to purchase but I imagine it gets pretty expensive buying them all!

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I bought a ton on amazon.jp as I have a dedicated kindle for my Japan account- you need 2 separate accounts and separate devices - I can explain more if you want me to.
On kindle there are tons of books for free, they have a red cover, こころ is an example.
Also, you accrue points on the site which I trade in for a free book once in a while.
You do need a Japanese address - but I just put a hotel that I stayed in whilst in Tokyo haha and occasionally you need to log into the site with a VPN connected to a Japanese server, but these are minor points for me.
A lot of other people use bookwalker but I dont have any experience with that so cannot comment.
Hope you find what you need though!

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It does get pretty pricey, buying digital is usually the best option. Sometimes you luck out and there is an event going, the manga you want to read is on promotion, some have a point system like bookwalker. Sometimes you can even get whole print series used.

I really wish I could get a manga subscription, though. Like crunchyroll but for manga and light novels, and of course with japanese originals. But until then, all the money I would put into a subscription will go directly into books.

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I heard that kindle unlimited was a thing but I have a vague memory that someone said there was an issue with it. I cannot for the life of me remember any details, so this post is quite irrelevant haha

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I tried kindle unlimited many years ago for my book binging needs but found the variety and quality of books very lacking. I think I would run into the same problems with manga: not featuring the popular ones, incomplete series, not that much variety, mostly low effort/low quality books.

My hopes are on bookwalker oftentimes featuring free manga for a short period. Or publisher websites, sometimes those have the newest chapter free to read.

But for now, that’s not really that important, I’m only reading beginner manga at the moment and couldn’t use a subscription fully with my level of japanese anyway.

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Same, I have a ton of free books and physical ones to work through, I think one book will take me 6 months to read hahah

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Everything goes smoothly here on my slow and cozy journey :slight_smile:

My daily review count is now steadily below 100, so I add either 10 vocab, 1 grammar point, or 4 kanji related things a day– or nothing, if I don’t feel like it :sweat_smile: I do my reviews the moment they come up, so new items get repeated multiple times on the first day. This really enhances my retention :slight_smile: I would love to work on my new items a bit more throughout the day, maybe writing a few sentences with the grammar/words or something. For kanji I just do a working sheet or two, those are always fun.

I’m still reading yotsuba, currently in book 3. Also the wanikiani bookclub started now, so I get to read scary stories and in depth analysis of sentences :slight_smile: Such a big help! This is my first book (everything else has been manga) and reading it takes way longer than reading manga. But this is a great chance to improve :slight_smile: It wasn’t too difficult so far.

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