it is a script
and just like quadban said, you have to be disciplined. A slightly mistake (specially for those formal or casual that sometimes I dont pay attention to the hint, and I end up mistaking them)
I just type key for “I dont know”. I prefer to repeat several times until I get them right.
Same with flaming durtles for WK, I use anki mode and when I say/answer wrong, I just set it to incorrect.
interesting that on WK those threads about news articles and grammar points are way more popular than here.
Usually I ask there and I get several answers.
yes, many threads here I see they were created in the beginning of the year and then forgotten.
To be fair though, it does have to do with the amount of active users on the forums and the level of users a bit too. You have some (very active) users with a very high level of Japanese over on the WK forums as well as a way bigger user base (For example, I get a notification for every new post made on ALL threads here in the forums, because the activity is relatively low, if I were to do that on the WK forums I would be pinged many times a minute at certain hours of the day).
I would love to contribute to the grammar point discussion and the like, but due to the low activity there I could make a mistake, not be corrected on it for months at a time and in the mean time cause either confusion or straight up mistakes in many other readers, so I stay out of it (as might others), which means lower activity, less chances for corrections… A vicious circle.
The only solution I see is to just ask questions on any thread where you get a problem, with some luck it will draw in more engagement to the threads, cause other users to browse / pay attention to it more and in a while we might see it flourish like the WK discussions.
What’s interesting with the WK forums is that there’s a lot of activity that isn’t related to learning kanji per se
I’ve avoided the WK forums for so long now for that reason, honestly its like 95% random superfluous rubbish.
It’s like being on an MSN chat forum from the 90’s
I feel like they do a pretty good job at keeping that contained in the campfire section though, the on-point discussions are (generally speaking) pretty on-point.
Fair, but theres so little of it thats useful, and just gets lost in a sea of notifications and quickly dropped down from everything else
honestly nowadays I just check some threads from time to time because most of threads now there are people talking about how they breath japanese, studying 6 hours a day and listening to podcast, checking live news, using tobira and this and that etc and such.
I felt demoralized reading this kind of stuff because for me I just let SRS do its thing and it is helping my understanding of the japanese language. Late this month I will be 1 year using WK and I see that almost 1 year before and I couldnt read the nhk easy news nor read twitter for example. I felt improving but not compared to those there, so I avoid now.
To be fair, I think WK uses a weird Kanji order that prevents you from reading until you are on your 20s+ level.
I feel like I can read more with 3 grades of Kanji than lvl 21 WK I used to have. But that might be extremely subjective and biased towards what I read.
WK’s kanji order isn’t optimized for reading, but more so to ease you into kanji and get over that fear.
I think even though I’m encountering kanji in my books that I won’t learn until level 20 there, the fact that WK eased me into them, the stroke order, onyomi/kunyomi and radicals means that it’s still indirectly helping me approach new content ouside of the site. Before, just looking at anything with 10 or more strokes made me want to quit reading haha
As many said before what has been confusing at first is the way Bunpro works and should be used. How ghosts are introduced/exorcised, when reviews are available (this strange unlocking every half an hour…), how many reviews are left (negative number of reviews!?) are among the most confusing features IMHO.
Since I had a few years of (slowly) studying Japanese I started by learning N3 grammar points and not having a proper comparison of the nuances between similar points confused me a lot. One may say this is acquired by exposure, but I am of the kind that likes/requires plain explanation, and sudying similar grammar points in a row may be of help for me (bad memory => need to have the same things side by side).
As an SRS it forces me to review grammar points frequently which is what I needed as a not very consistent worker. Also the explanation are very concentrated and up to the (grammar) point which helps get the gist. For more detailed explanation the resources is also a great feature I use for difficult grammar points (but the several levels of details in explanation you guys are implementing currently seems very promising 
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And also the very friendly community is a plus. While the community is not very large (which I like) it is still very active and people have various interests, hobbies and experience with Japanese. 
Yeah. I work full time. I can spend like 30 minutes max a day, but not every day, on study. So I have all these SRSs set up to help with that. (Wk, torii, and bunpro).
It has really helped to keep the lowest review level at or under 50 items. A lot of the time I just have 25.
Since I am time poor, I subscribe to slow and steady. Plus’s all the SRSs help me fill time during lunch breaks or after work when waiting for dinner.
Keep at it😊
I feel your pain (it is same for me)…
I still have no idea how the correct percentages at the end of review sessions are calculated
I was (and tbh still am) confused why there’s a lot of duplicate grammar points (this may just be an oversight), and also why a lot of affirmative/negative form of the same grammar point (i.e. はず・はずがない、べき・べきではない) are separate. I feel like anywhere they can consolidate things, even only the occasional one, is a small step in the right direction. The sheer number of grammar points on the site is both a great thing, but also an extremely daunting thing. Anyone starting with Bunpro with little to no Japanese and just using the Bunpro order is bound to be extremely overwhelmed.
That said, it is an amazing supplemental tool. I personally think the best way to use Bunpro is to pick a textbook and add those same grammar points as you study them. THEN, after you get through most of the grammar points at a certain JLPT level, go back and do the ones you missed. It worked (and is still working) for me and I can definitely notice my Japanese getting better.
What confused me (and still does):
The introduction to new grammar when you first sign up shows you the grammar and an example sentence all at once on a nice page, but then after that initial study session, there is no way to get it back. I miss having an example sentence right there when I go to study a new batch of grammar. Is this still possible to see, or is it only for people who are just starting out?
When I click on a grammar item from the “content” view, in the upper left corner of the grammar page it shows, for example, “N2 lesson 2: 21/23”. What is that? Is that something I should be able to feel or see when I learn new grammar? I’ve just been plucking away at my 3-new-grammar-point batches, unaware of there being any sort of order to the madness. Am I supposed to be able to refer to these “lessons” later? Are they divided by theme? Why do they exist?
Edit to add: apparently you can study vocabulary here? How? If I google it, nothing comes up, and I can’t find any “study new vocabulary” options in the settings or anywhere else. I just clicked the button to add WaniKani vocabulary to my account? I have no idea what that did, but now I have a vocabulary review button on my home page 
What I like:
All of the grammar for N5-N1 is consolidated in one place, and I can look up things I forgot easily and add them to my review pile. Plus, the book my tutor likes to use (the “Try!” series) doesn’t even have all the grammar points that Bunpro does, so it motivates me to keep going so I can see more than I would normally see in my in-person lessons.
I can control what I want to study and when I want to study it. I can add things to my review pile, remove them, or mark them as known at my own will. It truly feels like a personalized experience that I can cater to my individual needs.
The most confusing part was to know how many lessons I should learn at once, I would prefer something like wanikani that tells you how many new lessons can you learn. Now I understand that this is not possible in bunpro, but it should be a method to have something similar, for example avoiding to have more than X elements in SRS 0-2 levels (differentiating each deck).
I had a friend that started to use bunpro a week ago, and in the first day he has 50 lessons learned because there was nothing to tell him when to stop, he was about to abandon bunpro for that reason, I tell him some tips and restarted his progress.
Now what I do is one grammar lesson and 7 vocabulary words each day, it works perfect for me. In four months approx I will have N4 completed.
In conclusion, some guidance for new users of how to learn lessons without being overwhelmed would be essential.
For me the problem was the plain form. I didn’t come across the plain form in my Japanese studies before I started bunpro. ( I am doing a once a week evening class, using the text book Japanese for Busy People- which is not covered by Bunpro) I could not get my head round the plain forms- since we were only using polite forms in my class. Also conjugation generally- it would be good to have a way of drilling verbs in bunpro.
I kept with it because I like to refresh my knowledge of grammer forms I have learned- and this I have found is the best way.
I struggled to know where to start.
I also use wanikani and I found it much easier to just get straight into it.
When you are tight for study time, the last thing you want to do is burn hours learning a new tool.
I tried Bunpro for about a week and then gave up. Fortunately, I bought a years subscription, so after I finished Genki, and wanted to do more grammar study, I decided to come back and give it a go. Am glad I did.
A little more hand holding at the start would help a lot.
Hello,
I love Bunpro, it has so much potential, but there are little things I don’t get. For example, the SRS intervals in this screenshot:
What does SRS 12 mean? 12 months? weeks? I tried to look for some info in the documentation but I didn’t find anything. I imagine it is something about the SRS interval but I find confusing, for example, how a grammar concept can pass to SRS 3-5 to SRS 6-8.
Also, another thing that I find confusing are the ghosts reviews. The only documentation I found it is a post from 2018, so I don’t know if it is still valid or not; but I don’t get how many time you have to answer correctly before slaying a ghost.
In any case, it is not a big deal, if someone has an explanation I am happy to listen!
