Future of Bunpro’s (missing) Grammar - Update!

I find this form rather common - present tense + うえで that is supposed to mean in order. I encounter it almost once a week in readings and news videos.

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:heart: Reminds me the anime of のんのんびより which I believe means “It’s a good/perfect day to be carefree”. Until it gets canonized in Bunpro, the anime title can be serve as a way to stick for now…

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I wonder if “noun + 系” (meaning “type/category/genre/sort”) would be a good grammar point candidate as in “俺こっち系得意なんでね” (I’m pretty good at this kind of thing.)

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Feeling a bit silly writing this but maybe it’s not just me. I made a mistake in reviews today on this one:

“I think it’s better for children who want to play video games to play outside instead.”
ゲームを_______子供には外で遊んでもらった方がいいと思う。(する)

I answered したがるな, but the correct answer is just したがる.

I understand that it’s not a な adjective, but I went looking through all the grammar points and couldn’t really find anything that explains that “plain form Verb + noun” is OK for a sentence like “people who do verb are…”. The “~た + (Noun)” relative clause grammar point only shows examples for “person that did verb …” and “person that is actively doing verb”. I think this led me to believe verb + noun was incorrect and I needed to conjugate/nominalise/add something.

Maybe it’s mentioned somewhere else that I’ve glossed over, but if not I thought it might be worth mentioning to add for clarity.

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“plain form Verb + noun”
Is always “OK.” The “plain form” of the verb can also be used as the 連体形, or attributive form. The attributive form does as it says, it marks the verb as being an attribute of the noun that follows. While がる is technically not a “pure” verb, it is an auxiliary verb meaning it shares in lot in common and part of that is having basically the same attributive form. This is goes the same for “い adjectives”, their attributive form is the same as their plain form. Please also note た (the た used in past tense like 書いた) is also an auxiliary verb, and again its attributive form is the same as it’s plain form, itself .

Attributive Form examples:

水を飲む人
A person that drinks water.

水を飲んだ人
A person that drank water.

怖い人
A person that is scary/A scary person.

Note that in Japanese parts of speech are generally divided into 2 categories, parts of speech which inflect and parts of speech that don’t inflect.

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Another grammar point I came across in my reading but couldn’t find on bunpro:

https://jlptsensei.com/learn-japanese-grammar/じみた-jimita-meaning/

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I see that the grammar point め is slated to be added to N3. I’m assuming this is referring to the 形容詞+め usage.

I’d also like to suggest that the 名詞+め version used for insults get added as well as an N0 item, as it’s used a lot in media.

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A construction I’ve come across a couple of times now (often on Bunpro, actually!) is でも~でなくても. For example: その話皆に伝えてもかまわないですか?今日でも今日でなくてもいいですが。(From an N3, Lesson 5 reading practice story on Bunpro)

I think this construction is very suited for a grammar point on Bunpro.

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と引き換えに

“in exchange for”

Example sentence:

彼女は「キス」と引き換えに冬休みに勉強を教えてと言ってきた。

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Ah… When will be the last time I’ve embarrassed myself on this forum?

Not today, I’m sure.

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I used the search and I haven’t seen it anywhere, what about ぶる as in 彼は金持ちぶっているが、本当は借金がたくさんある。?

Apparently is N1

https://jlptsensei.com/learn-japanese-grammar/ぶる-ぶって-ぶった-buru-butte-butta-meaning/

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Nice! Seems to be closely related to ふりをする (日本語能力試験 N3) | Bunpro.

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I see we have this as a vocabulary but maybe it could also be included as a grammar point?

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Hi, not sure if it is the right spot for that, but I saw this grammar point twice already and finding any information online on it was quite hard.
The pattern is:
AはAで and I think it means - “A is A, after all”
There is a vocab point for それはそれで | Bunpro but I think it is only an instance of the wider meaning of this pattern.
Sometimes it comes up as:
Someones name は That same name で
But always it is the same noun phrase repeated twice.
I found a native resource that talks about this pattern: 【N0文法】~は~で/~も~で | 毎日のんびり日本語教師
And the japanese wiktionary:
は - ウィクショナリー日本語版 has it listed as one of the example uses of は (the example given is 先生は先生でいろいろと大変なんですね。)
I am not sure how important this grammar point is, but for me it appeared twice in my first week of reading japanese content labeled as “easy” online, and for me it is not intuitively derivable from the meanings of the components.
If someone else already pointed this out, then take this as an upvote on that :smiley:

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