I am going through the grammar on an alternate account now reporting all missing kanji as I power through it. If you see missing kanji, feel free to report it. The devs are working hard to improve missing kanji etc lately.
Yes i do report when i notice such things. The staff is very reactive. ‘Thanks’ to them.
I mostly “draw” something to better understand a sentence with a grammar point. Though sometimes a drawing really helps with some grammar points. Though there are times when I do wonder for a second what was I thinking when drawing
Here you go. Hope this is enough examples:
Since I’m also using WaniKani and my own Anki decks of kanji and Japanese words, I’m sort of keeping Bunpro on the back burner. I try not to ever let my reviews exceed ten per day. I know that doesn’t sound like much, but I find that the reviews here take me more “energy” than WaniKani’s or Anki’s. That’s not a bad thing at all. I just feel like I need more moderation here.
I currently use BunPro as addition to Genki and it’s working out amazingly well. I use it for revision as well as a resource. I really like that BunPro shows which page I can find the grammar points in the Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar and let’s me find additional websites and youtube videos easily.
Genki is excellent for exercises and practice but not all grammar points have equally well written explanations and that’s where BunPro comes in!
I’m halfway through the N5 points after ~50 days, broken down that’s pretty much one grammar point per day (though I don’t really add “one per day” - I just add the grammar points when I worked through that part of the Genki chapter).
I personally feel good about that pace since I am focusing is a little more on WaniKani right now. I do plan to pick up the pace with BunPro and grammar when I am more confident with Kanji, until then I will continue with the current pace. Focusing on Kanji doesn’t mean I won’t work on grammar. I do BunPro reviews twice a day to solidify the basics as best as I can and I just hope to be able to get into reading native material soon. I might have ordered a totally unsignificant small amount of japanese manga that are now waiting for me to gain knowledge.
I started at N5 and do 3 lessons a day, unless I’m busy (which I have been lately). Slow and steady. No additional work around it - I just let the SRS do its thing. I do try to read the links and work through the examples when unlocking new lessons, unless I already know the grammar point fairly well.
I tend to learn largely from Bunpro’s limited explanation plus examples when possible, though I’ll look at the readings sometimes. I went through N5 quite fast this way but I’ve had to slow down during N4 material. I try to add at least 3 new grammar points per day, usually 6.
I think when I’m done the N4 stuff I’ll slow down even more, as I’d like fewer reviews. (I’m still doing WaniKani too, so it’s a heavy load.) Mostly I just want to be able to read at least easier stuff (and this is already becoming possible), and I figure that the higher I go, the less absolutely-essential each grammar point will be, so I don’t feel as compelled to rush through.
I always thought they were missing a trick with this in WaniKani. They could employ someone to create an image for each mnemonic. Seeing a hilarious image as well as imagining the scenario in your mind would strengthen the mnemonics greatly. They would need an artist that could do cucumbers, shoguns and Kyoto really well though.
I use bunpro as my main source for grammar learning. I’m pretty slow if I compare myself to the other people here.
I only add 2 new lessons a day and that only if I have less than 12 ghosts ( 2 rows on the profiles stats page). Like this I can keep my rewievs at around 20-30 a day wich I mostly finish in 10-15 minutes.
For my lessons my time depends on the grammar (sometimes 5 minutes othertimes 20 min per lesson) but I read every single example sentence and try to understand them fully, if I still need more clarification I do aditionally reading.
If I notice I’m confusing one or more grammar points (へ、に、で for an early example) I bookmark all of them and then do a cramm session until I fell like I got it.
It took my aproximatly 2,5 months to finish N5. But N4 has been slower because I make more mistakes so more ghosts.
I keep my grammar load pretty low because my vocabluary is still quite lacking like this I can keep learning at a steady rhtym. On Wanikani I need 30-45 minutes for my daily reviews (100-130). I started renshuu a week ago to fill in vacabulary not covered by WK but I have yet to reach the point where I can use is like I inteded. So I can’t recoment it yet.
I believe that if one gets through N5 and N4 then N3 and the rest are much easier, though will surely take some time. No haste, slow and steady wins the race
Someone was drawing the mnemonics, they got through a few levels but not sure how far lately. Another user then created a script to connect the drawings to the entry.
I guess I use BP regular way, I just add each new lesson to another SRS for recognition which helps toward production. I’ll try to review grammar points before a conversation practice, sometimes intentionally to practice or it will just come out during conversation.
Ive never used wanikani, so id be very keen to hear the opinions of someone who has got very far in it, how useful do you find the mnemonic system beyind basic kanji? Ive a feeling they arent that useful, but i never used mnemonics for kanji so im not sure.
I’m only at level 37, but I tend to gloss over the mnemonics. I know some people absolutely swear by them, but they get jumbled in my mind personally and so I prefer the good old “just write out and study the kanji” method. Could have something to do with that being ideal for deskwarming time at work though. I honestly forget that a lot of the draw of WK is the mnemonics and not “I don’t have to think about this SRS system because it’s all here for me”.
I’ve gone through WK, I used the mnemonics, it helped me. Doesn’t matter what level the kanji, you can make a mnemonic out of anything. Usually the actual mnemonic gets forgotten after 3-4th straight pass and I just know it plus with the vocab reinforcements. I found the concept WK to be very effective but as a platform, somethings I would change.
I tried WK once but I couldn’t get into it. I’m a big fan of SRS systems, but I already knew a lot of kanji – I could read at N3-ish level – so the mnemonics just got in the way for me.
I found the app Skritter more to my liking, and I kept up with that for a while, but then I focused my effort on vocab and grammar and reading (recognition over recall). One day in the future, I’ll get back to studying kanji.
I’m only halfway and already the kanji are looking very similar to each other so yes, the mnemonics can get messy and are less useful once you get lots of radicals showing up in a kanji.
However, there are multiple mnemonics for each kanji and the kunyomi reading mnemonics are very, very useful because it doesn’t matter how complicated the kanji is. The kunyomi mnemonics have nothing to do with radicals and are equally useful at all levels.
to bring this discussion back to its headline: I’m currently trying to learn N3 grammar (have only a few points in N4 left)
I try to add new grammar points when my daily reviews go below the amount of reviews i wanna do daily (20-30). When adding new grammar, i look through the “ALL” list and seach for points that i already encountered somewhere or that seem quite easy because it’s a vocab point i already know.
A few days ago i started with Tobira and therefore added all the grammarpoints from chapter 1
I think it’s a good method to use the Textbook paths so you can simultaniously read the explanations in f.e. Genki and do the practices
(especially helpful with grammar that just doesn’t stick through SRS alone or points I keep mixing up, I had a huge problem with honorifics so doing the practices in Genki really helped with that)
I also deactivated ghosts because i make many mistakes and with ghosts my reviews just went bejond a reasonable amount. Tbh most of my mistakes come from wrong verb conjugation so maybe i should practice that again seperately
I also sometimes use the audio feature to try and shadow some sentences, but the audio is soo fast it’s quite challenging (if not undoable for me at the moment) to keep up with that speed.
Just replay a lot, it really gets better over time. At the beginning, I couldn’t even keep up with N5 sentences with listening only.
Aren’t the ghosts there to give you practice doing exactly that? If you switch them off and plough forwards learning new things without consolidating the things you’ve already added then that’s a bit like adding more and more floors of a building on top of a dodgy foundation. I would have thought that slowing down on new things and properly learning your existing stuff might save you more headache in the future.
This is why I prefer minimal to regular ghosts.