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純粋な能力の問題ではなく、生活環境や考え方の問題だ。
文プロのフォルムにそんな人はなかなかいませんね。
我々は同じ方法を使っている、毎日の勉強時間の違いだけですと思う。
必要のは方法とか覚悟とか研究とか、毎日勉強の時間ではないと思う
While I am not a “speed-first” learner myself, there is something to be said for the effectiveness of “just do y hours a day.” Unless there are pretty serious flaws in one’s learning strategy, it really is the case that someone who is able to structure their time and prioritize their life in a way that allows them to spend 5 or 7 hours everyday on focused learning will make a lot more progress than someone who spends 1 or 2. Obviously that’s not the whole story: the “grinding levels” phenomenon in language learning that started with Duolingo and has been adapted and improved by sites like Bunpro is not really a great way to measure your progress – if you cram Bunpro without any exposure to native material or attempt to output, you’re gonna have serious holes in your understanding. But I do think that, as long as you can stay motivated, more is more when it comes to time spent, and highly motivated people who are willing and able to spend more time will reap the benefits of that willingness.
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More is more, but the law of diminishing returns kicks in at a certain point. Grinding flashcards for 2 hours a day is nowhere near 4 times more effective than doing it for 30 minutes. It’s not a sprint, it’s a marathon.
Not true
Won’t say about anki, feels like it’s nut much different unless you can no do that, but if we talking about reading or listening, or any other type of studding including input, it will be even more effective
I am not sure what you are trying to disagree with here. For any mental activity, you get more fatigued with time, thus losing productivity. Maybe not true for the first few minutes as you are getting in the zone and setting up, but I would expect it to hold in 99% of the cases after a certain threshold.
There are definitely research papers studying the effect of the length of tests/study sessions on final outcome.
It’s one of the points of SRS systems as well – you are not going over and over the same vocab in a single long session, but you spread it out across smaller sessions across hours/days.
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This is such a valueable point! SRS is all about min-maxing time spent and stuff learned. But at the same time, I vividly remember the thread were folks were discussing how inefficient the SRS here in bunpro is and how the spacing doesn’t fit them personally. I’m pretty sure the SRS spacing here was good enough for most, not perfect, but most don’t need perfect to learn anyway, the difference between 95% retention and 98% retention is not worth discussing, unless it’s REALLY important to you. But there are always outliers who don’t fit into the system and who really struggle with the SRS spacing here.
But folks learned languages before SRS and there are people out there today who just don’t use it and prefer to learn another way. And they improve too, maybe not as efficient as others, but not everybody cares about efficency.
I don’t even know what the “best” duration for a learning session is. Pomodoro pushed 20 minutes, when I went to school they pushed 45 minutes, and school nowadays push 90 minutes. 20 minutes feels way too short for me, the fun just started and I have to stop already? I usually go for 45 minutes for reviews and learning new vocab/grammar points, but sometimes this still feels too short cause it was fun. I can imagine there are people out there who do enjoy 4 hours of learning and can keep up their focus for that long. I know I can keep focus for that long, when the task is juuuuuuust right, but doing reviews for 4 hours would be too boring for me.
Usually the pomodoro method refers to blocks of focus time vs break time-- so it is easily possible to study for 4 hours using pomodoro, that just entails 8 blocks of 25 minute study and 8 blocks of 5 minute break time.
I definitely agree that best strategy is subjective! I think experimentation and open mindedness are important if you want to learn well, no matter what the subject is.
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Update?
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This is my own personal take, so feel free to ignore my two cents, but it’s not generally possible to be at that level in one year and I worry that you’ll set yourself up for disappointment. As a general rule, I’ve often heard, for example, that reaching N1 takes at least a year of study after achieving N2, which in and of itself takes a couple of years. To be conversational in a language takes about 2 years of constant study, and to become advanced can take 5-10.
This is in part because of how much our brains can retain at once. For example, you might have 15 hours a day to study, but general advice is around 10 new words a day as a maximum of what we can comfortably learn. Grammar is even more difficult because it can take a while to understand and put it to use. It’s probably theoretically possible to learn all the grammar cards in one year, but I doubt most people who do so could actually use and understand it all functionally as there is just so much nuance and understanding things that are very different from your native language.
Some people absolutely CAN learn languages insanely quickly, but I think a lot of people overestimate where they can realistically be in a certain amount of time, which can be really discouraging if you aren’t able to maintain it. I think a good, ambitious but more realistic goal might be N3-level.
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It has been a year since his post was added here. And he does not post any updates whatsoever. He either abandon his initial goal or just complete it regardless. Either way is good for him.
But in my opinion, one year for N1 is almost impossible, maybe 2 years for N1 is more plausible. Even then, it still requires utmost effort to pull it off.
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Most of the “speedruns” are left out after 3-4 months (usually upon reaching high N3/ low N2), no wonder this became a running gag in the japanese learning community. You can try but the cost (giving up learning japanese totally instead of implementing it to your daily routine) is too high imo.
I guess Icarus burnt his wings again…
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Welp. I feel like some beginners start learning like 10 bits of beginner grammar, go “holy smokes, this is EASY!” and think the rest will be just as easy hahaha.
Hahahahahahah sike.
The Japanese language getting ready to teach them a lesson:
Keigo and the million and one synonyms in N3 in particular:
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