Kanji tips?

I don’t necessarily agree with you on this one.

Learning the meanings and components of individual kanji first, including their radicals, provides a solid foundation for understanding how kanji are constructed. Many kanji share similar radicals that convey hints about meaning or pronunciation (e.g., 言 for speech-related words or 木 for tree-related concepts). By focusing on individual kanji, learners develop a systematic way of identifying and guessing meanings and/or pronunciations for unfamiliar kanji, even in new contexts.

For example, if you know that 生 relates to life or growth, you can more easily remember 生きる (to live) as “to grow/continue life.” This approach is particularly effective for beginners who are overwhelmed by the sheer volume of vocabulary they must learn.

Also, relying on vocabulary to learn kanji might make learners overly dependent on memorizing whole words, which can greatly hinder their ability to recognize kanji in unfamiliar combinations. By familiarizing yourself with the individual kanji first, learners are better equipped to infer the meanings of new words. For instance, if you know that 言 is related to “speech”, or “to say” and 葉 means “leaf,” you might deduce that 言葉 has something to do with “spoken words” or “expression” even without prior exposure.

Obviously, things are not as simple as 言葉 = 言+葉, but it is undeniable that for over 90% of the vocabulary, the meaning does in fact derive from the kanji found within the words. Sure, you might have to use your brain to figure out the etymology behind 先生, but rather than actively discouraging people to learn individual kanji, I’d say you should put everything in context, such as:

Radicals > Kanji > Vocab (using on’yomi) + Vocab (using kun’yomi) > Expressions (for example: vocab + particles) > Example Sentences

Radicals: 言 (say) + 舌 (tongue) > Kanji: 話 (talk)
Kanji: 話 (talk) > 話す - はなす (to talk, Vocab using kun’yomi) and 電話 - でんわ (telephone, Vocab using on’yomi)

Then you put every vocab in context, such as:
電話番号 - phone number
電話をする - to make a phone call
電話を切る - to hang up the phone
… etc. (Don’t put this thing in the Anki deck, just look up a couple of expressions.)

Then after looking up how the specific word is used, you can look up for example sentences:
それ、正しい電話番号ではないよ。 - That is not the right phone number

Fortunately, next time you want to learn a vocab, that has the very same kanji, you don’t have to bother with the radicals, nor the on/kun readings, because you already did that!

Yes, I get it, this seems super old-fashioned and also it is a lot… . I get that, you generally don’t have that much time to do this every time you learn a new word, which is honestly more than understandable. However, I do hope that you understand why this method is foolproof. Also, things like WaniKani are accessible which takes a bit more modern approach on these things (using SRS and mnemonics), and it pretty much does the hard work for you! (You don’t have to subscribe to access the radicals, kanji, and example sentences.)

I really hope this helped, and wishing you luck on your Japanese journey!

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This is a really nice comment @sunnybot , best of the thread so far I’d say.
And I know it can be a lot of money for some people, but I personally really want to vouch for Wanikani and say that it’s worth it. Especially if you wait a couple of weeks for their Christmas sale.
An idea would be to ask your family or close friends for a lifetime subscription as a Christmas gift.

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I’m going to share my personal experience—not claiming it’s the best or most efficient method, just what worked for me. I used WaniKani for almost a year and reached level 35. At that point, I was spending over an hour on reviews daily, which simply wasn’t fun. So, I decided to drop it and focus on learning kanji in-context with vocabulary. This change allowed me to spend that time immersing, which I personally find far more valuable.

That said, WaniKani was very helpful in teaching me what the posts above are recommending: to identify the different components of a kanji at a glance—or what this post calls “kanji fluency.” Once you develop this skill, you’ll be able to distinguish unfamiliar kanji more easily and learn them in-context with vocab. Over time, you’ll naturally acquire their readings and even start guessing them in other words.

The post I linked above includes a free Anki deck with instructions if you want to give that a try.

Bonus: If you’re interested in drilling kanji further, I highly recommend the free Ringotan app. It teaches you how to write kanji and their stroke order, reinforcing what you’ve already learned.

Best of luck!

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Here’s a Wanikani chart to contextualize what getting to level 35 means.
Getting 85-95% kanji reading coverage is huge results for a year’s studying, well done.
@sunnybot but do note that the percentages are for the kanji, not vocab.

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I use an Android app called Kanji Study. :slight_smile: Many of the features, especially for beginners, are free. The version also has no ads, which I find pretty incredible these days. I’ve had the paid version for an extremely long time so I don’t know quite which features are paid or not, but I recall the price is about $30 if you don’t include the super advanced package on kanji-pictogram history.

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I just used the wanikani mnemonics to study the meanings and an anki deck to remember them. The readings are superflous, they will eventually be learnt through vocabulary. The wanikani method is hightly inefficient in my opinion. With my method I studied about 1.7k kanji in 3 weeks and knew them well after another month of reviews.

Were you already fluent in Chinese? Learning 80 kanji per day sounds like a crazy pace otherwise. Actually that’s an insane speed in any scenario.

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Surely, you are just exaggerating, right? Learning almost 600 kanji / week… finishing the ENTIRE Jōyō kanji in way less than a month seems impossible, even if you have already knew half of it…

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Yeah, the daily kanji would be the same amount as Japanese children learn in the first grade of elementary school. And this user did that everyday for three weeks?
Absurdly impressive if true.

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I’m not exaggerating, I have no previous experience with kanji but a pretty good memory and no life at all. The biggest help of all though is the way in which wanikani organizes the levels.
Edit: mind you, I was only studying the meanings and when I say that it took an extra month of reviews to recall them fairly easily I am still excluding the readings. The whole thing was pretty intense since I was spending 4-5 hours a day doing reviews and I would not do it again if I had to learn more kanji, I was simply fed up with the stupidity of wanikani and not being able to learn new words when I saw them because I lacked the kanji knowledge.

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Keep in mind that the japanese learn how to write them as well so there’s not really a fair comparison…

Ah, I see now I missed the part about you only doing the meanings.
So you basically did a homemade version of Heisig’s Remembering the Kanji, but with fewer kanji? If that’s the case you maybe should have just bought and followed his books, then you would have been primed and ready to learn the readings right after learning the meanings.

Other people may have a different opinion but I don’t think that spending time learning the readings is worth it. There are way too many exceptions to treat kanji like letters, if you find a new word made of three kanji and you know all their individual readings then there’s still a good chance you will mess up the word reading, so why bother learning the readings in the first place?

I’m really puzzled where this is coming from. Are you implying that I’ve expressed that opinion in this thread?
I would think that if you’ve learned 1700+ kanji that you would understand what I mean when I say “learn the readings”. I’m not saying to learn a kunyomi reading and stop there, that should be obvious to you.

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All good points, although I don’t think I’d ever recommend WK to a friend, even (especially?) for identifying components. IMO they aggressively sacrifice memory of useful components for their other goals:

  • forcing the learner to remember WK names of not-components-at-all, with no way to skip/blacklist them
  • bundling together different and unrelated components, without pointing out the distinction
  • renaming recognized components to unrelated WK names

And don’t get me started on excessively long mnemonics full of red herrings and …ermm… let’s call them specific subculture references.

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I did wanikani before, but I found it tedious because you learn like 20-40 kanji, which is an okay speed, but you have to learn like 100 vocabulary, which is annoying. I know its to help you understand the kanji, but its too much. At this point, i am starting to increase my vocabulary. i used to do 20 but as i dont have my kanji anki deck anymore, i might do 30-40 a day My retention rate is okay around 64-70 percent Should I continue on the path or still do kanji? I am doing kaishi 1.5k deck and am like 400 words in

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I got WaniKani burnout around level 15… Using WK was my first step after learning kana. I think it was a great way to start learning vocabulary in a way that made sense (tied to kanji, that had meaning, and practicing their pronunciation). It made my jump to Bunpro feel really easy since I already knew most of the vocab used to form phrases for N5 content and most of the kanji that I had learned really stuck. So I too vouch for it!

I tried using some Anki decks for kanji before that, and it was way faster than WK. But I think that taking the time with WK makes kanji much more memorable and it really helps to tie them to vocab.

At one point I dramatically reduced my focus on WK as it felt that just learning kanji wasn’t taking me anywhere (of course). But I’ve kept up with my WK reviews, and I am slowly ramping up my kanji lessons again. I feel the most progress by working on Bunpro right now, so I am not focusing on kanji much. I hope that I can learn it side-by-side with “naturally acquired” kanji-containing vocab.

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Not sure when you tried it, but they recently changed their website lessons algorithm to start giving you vocab for the level before you finish all of the kanji.

Now you normally get ~4 vocab for 1 kanji in a standard batch of lessons.

I also felt a bit unmotivated to go through the ~100 vocabulary before I could unlock new kanji, but I think their new system makes things feel more natural and you also start using the kanji for vocab earlier than in the past (when you would learn all kanji before any vocab)

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I agree about them forcing you to learn made up kanji components.

I think it is useful when learning the kanji, but to get the “fake” component wrong and have it keep coming up in reviews when I already know the real kanji that use it is indeed very annoying and sometimes confusing. I wish they were more forgiving like Bunpro, at least for the WK radicals.

I still get “viking” and “gladiator” radicals wrong all the time

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I would argue that both of those examples are actually clear examples where knowing the individual kanji helps greatly in understanding the words themselves.

言葉 is literally saying the things at the tips of the language tree. As if the language is the tree, then words are the leaves. It is an adjective noun relationship, language leaves.

生産 likewise is a just that. Life(raw ingredient) & to give birth. Bringing things into creation. I.e. Manufacturing or producing things. Sure it loses the general connotation of living things. But 生 has a nonliving connotation of raw ingredients. So it is an object verb relationship of birthing things from raw ingredients.

Here is a good video that explains the relationships of two kanji words. Which I agree is probably the most efficient way to familiarize yourself with kanji holistically.

The two good keys of RTK are this. One you create a slot in your English mind to place the Kanji as scaffolding to learning Japanese. Second you learn how to decompose kanji and learn to see them. You don’t learn how to read them. You use vocab for that.