What do you use for vocabulary in conjunction with Bunpro?

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#21

This is a good shout!

I’ve been trying to use Anki recently, and started Renshuu yesterday, but the management of it is kind of a hassle. Renshuu has premade stuff, but I haven’t been able to filter through for stuff I don’t already know yet, which is a bit of a pain in the backend. I’m just no good at making cards that are actually useful when it comes to Anki, they’re just all a bit ugly and ineffectual.

I used to use Kamesame just to reinforce WK, then I stopped using it for a while… so I might just bung up a new account or something and start afresh with the stuff I actually need to reinforce, rather than adding literally everything from WK up to my current lvl (35). 30+ and added vocab sounds like a good strategy for me.

Cheers for the reminder that KS can do that!

#22

I’ve only been studinyg Japanese for ~7 weeks so I can’t really speak for anything that is more advanced but I thought I’d share my experiene nontheless!

For the moment I am learning the vocabulary in Genki (I always learn them a chapter in advance) and use memrise to solidify them. Memrise is really caterd towards beginners so it’s a great asset to me at my current stage. I plan to switch onto a more advanced SRS system when I am over the beginner stage. It seems that setting up custom decks in anki / kitsun / renshuu is a little more advanced so I haven’t really looked too much into it just yet.

I learn additional vocab through WaniKani and revise that with both KameSame and KaniWani. KameSame has some additinal vocab lists and let’s you add your own vocab but again, I personally am not yet at a stage where it’s feasable for me to add even more.

I think that getting the basics down with Genki and having WaniKani as additional resource works fine for me just now and my plan is to look into more advanced decks when I actually have finished Genki :muscle:

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#23

@sushi-fish You can use KameSame to learn Genki vocab too by using the “Study Words Found In Content” feature, you just type in the Genki vocab there and let’s go !

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#24

I actually do have this set. Need to do more of them, just replaced my printer recently.

#25

You know, if there’s a mention of Kitsun anywhere on the internet, I immediately get summoned :fox_face: (more like I’m going to subscribe back to Bunpro but shhh tell no one)

I know I’m biased, but another vote for Kitsun. I started using it from the moment that it was announced on the WK forums and since then the platform has only been growing more and more. The biggest proof that it worked for me is the fact that I spent 1 year trying to get into Anki and couldn’t use it for more than a few days in a row. With Kitsun, I have already more than 21 000 cards learned. This last week, a system to memorize your “known words” has been released (Kitsun now knows which words you know so you don’t have to deal with duplicates on other decks) and apps are to be released soon :slight_smile:

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#26

This is likely what’s gonna sell me on it - I love to study during my commute, but like you I’ve been having trouble getting into Anki even though I know I really should be using it, or at least something similar.

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#27

Try using it on the browser. The experience is pretty much the same compared to desktop :slight_smile: if you have trouble with connection during the commute, just preload your reviews before losing connection. Once the connection is back, Kitsun sends your answers back to the server (as if it was offline mode). It’s not a perfect system, but in my experience it tends to send at least 90% of the items reviewed back.

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#28

:exploding_head: :scream: I suddenly feel lazy. Are you going through BP :bunprogold: now?

@severian, be sure to add Kitsun to home screen since it is a pwa it launches just like a native app and you have max screen real estate compared to just a browser. It feels like a native app to me and I’m really happy with it but look forward to see what an official app can offer.

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#29

Yup :stuck_out_tongue: My weakest point is grammar, so it’s time. I’m very perfectionist when it comes to Japanese grammar (I feel like I can only feel something is learned when I can explain it), so that has been hurting my progress a lot. But I need that N3 more consolidated and to learn N2 so here I am ^^

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#30

Today I learnt something new about technology! Never heard of PWA before but that’s great to know.

Thanks, @s1212z and @jprspereira! I’ll give it a whirl on the fortnight trial and see how it goes from there.

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#31

Preach, brother!

So true, if you can’t explain it then you don’t truly understand it.

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#32

I’m in same boat when it comes to liking Kamesame over Kitsun. I don’t like the “how do you feel you did on remembering this word?” aspect of Kitsun or Anki. I like to either the answer correct, or get it wrong. It does suck that KameSame doesn’t have the same layout as WaniKani, I’d like to be able to write my own mnemonics and memorization techniques and see them on screen at the same time as studying, but it’s still great.

#33

On Kitsun you can also input your answers, just like Wanikani. Actually, the big majority of decks around Kitsun allow you to do just that.

Did you face this problem while trying to import a deck?

#34

I didn’t manage to see that option. I made a deck out of a vocabulary list I’d made from a DuoLingo lesson, but it just gave me five cards in a lesson with an answer structure similar to Anki.

If I ever do a subscription to Kitsun, I’ll try to look more indepth at how to properly configure it, but for now KameSame is filling that role.

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#35

A bunch of tutorials within the site will be implemented in the following days, hopefully that will make the whole experience easier to understand :slight_smile: Feel free to leave a message on the Kitsun forums in case you ever decide to give it another try.

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#36

Thank you! Will do!

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#37

Fluent Forever is my current Vocab App. It has a really good pronunciation and pitch accent tutorials built in and it also has a fairly novel approach to vocab acquisition.
https://fluent-forever.com/

This is the guy who made its TED talk:

#38

Very interesting talk. I’m not sure I agree that adults will pick up language faster than a child will in a similar situation, but I do agree not being able to get the accent right as an adult is not a rule IF enough hard work is put into it.

Have you used this app a lot? I’m very interested in accent and pronunciation and I’m always looking for more ways to learn about it

#39

Yeah I’ve used it since the Japanese version came out. It essentially will show videos that explain the exact mouth/tongue position and use limited pairs to help your ear here the difference. For example ski and 好き will be used to hear the difference between the American and Japanese vowels and consonants. It will play one and you have to pick between the two and see if you are correct.

This is mostly the first part of the app. It then uses sentences to build up your knowledge of vocabulary. I can show my setup later, I’m at work right now.

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#40

宜しく！

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