I am waiting for it… I just am letting you know that I accepted your believes as valid input am processing it…
Being rude is easier…
I am level 35 on WaniKani and passed JLPT N3 with a score of 180/180. I just started Tobira, and I have no problem with it. However, if you aren’t at least around a N3 level, you should probably wait to start Tobira. Most of the reading passages are really long and entirely in Japanese.
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Thank you. That what I am after since I get more of immersion route than text book route. But I heard a lot of good stuff about Tobira so I want to give it a try 
I don’t want to wait until it is too easy though. How long it takes you to do one chapter/unit? (btw how many chapter there is?)
those parts of Harry Potter I manage to read/study out. It was a bit too hard. I look at it as a benchmark. I should make it more clear.
I say just get started. You can use this website: http://abacus.bates.edu/~kofuji/Courses/tobira-yomimono.html
It contains the first 9 chapters. But since it is written out in a webpage, you can use YomiChan with it. It makes adding the vocabulary words much easier.
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Perfecto!
No need for looking up new kanji in jisho then xD
That was one of my main worries
It is 15 chapters. Most of the content in the book is review for me, so I just read a little bit every time I have free time at work. The speed at which you go through the book is entirely up to you, though.
Edit: Just a warning, the textbook DOES NOT include answers for the questions it asks after each chapter. As far as I’m aware, there is no answer book you can buy separately, just a teacher’s manual.
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Thanks. I like to suffer so it looking like Tobira will do me good xD
By the way, they have a website! Make sure to use it as it has a lot of additional resources such as grammar exercises. I personally focused on the audio, which you can use for shadowing! As this is a textbook experience, be reminded that the goal is that you should be able to understand damn near 100% of each chapter before moving on. I’d additionally suggest being able to read the main passage of each chapter out loud, and being able to follow the native speaker in the recordings as they speak before moving onto the next chapter. As for strategy, I personally always mined the vocab first with YomiChan, did my reps on Anki and BunPro for grammar and vocab for 1 day, then I tackled the reading each time. I found that knowing the vocab in advance was my style, but some people may prefer to just go in cold turkey.
But without further ado, here is the official link for their audio resources for each chapter: https://tobiraweb.9640.jp/contents/音声教材/
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That’s what I was missing in Clannad. No ability to listen to the same text over and over whatever I do. It will be useful for sure.
I will maybe start do to “shallow reading” with clannad. If I understand anything then good enough, keep moving. And hardcore reading with tears and blood on Tobira. Looks like a good day to me xD
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Thank you so much for this! I’m giving it a read now whilst at work, and it’s making me realise that I may well benefit from Tobira, since it seems to be at my level so far. Which is kind of wild actually, I assumed I was way below it 
I can’t give it a shot with the audio right now unfortunately, but it sounds great - lots of resources on their site, and it’s good to know what they expect you to be aware of before jumping in.
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Also, just want to be explicit because it would be a shame if anyone missed out on this, but BunPro has a Tobira path for grammar! Use it.
Additionally, if you get past chapter 9 and want to continue sentence mining with YomiChan, let me know in DMs.
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Wait, Clannad doesn’t do this? All the VN’s I’ve read so far let you listen to voiced lines in the log in some way…
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You have a lot of narration from main character and his dialogs as well that are not voiced.
Do you normally play/read na PC? I personally don’t see how that feature would be useful even for Japanese learners on Nintendo. If I am not able to pull audio from source code and listen to it on mobile there is no much utility in that.
Clannad is old as well. I will look around in options and see if there is something I missed
I prefer VNs on my Switch. But I don’t do anything special with them. I just read them. I guess if you’re making cards that’s more work compared to PC. Normally I just want to read an interesting story though that I wouldn’t be able to read if I couldn’t read Japanese. So popular stuff like Clannad that has a decent translation is actually not my target.
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I hope to be able to do similar thing in the future. Not my level yet 
I had finished all of N3 before I even attempted Harry Potter. You can definitely do it, and you will get through it (while also looking up words and grammar structures etc), but it will be a snails pace. If we are talking time invested/benefits gained, I would wait unitl you have finished N3 (Even then I still struggled a bit).
This opinion is based purely on the time it would take you to translate each and every new word etc. I would say that the book itself is N2 level ( in terms of grammar), but there is lots of non-jlpt vocab in it.
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Thank you, I do agree with that sentiment, although some strange masochism in myself makes me believe that making it harder now will make it feel easier later.
Going from Harry Potter to Clannad made me think that my pace is almost enjoyable by comparison. And let’s be real here: objectively I should have not been able to feel that way xD
And strange thing is that reasonable among of “pain” make it easier to remember stuff for me. As if my brain wanted to be out of that “pain” as soon as possible and did not try that hard as usually to make me not remembering things.
That is just strange quirk I have. I have no problem with other people feeling different about it. You do you, I do me
Thank you for your input. I will try to process it
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I believe that you mentioned in another post that knowing the story already will help you to read faster and understand new words. I also agree with this. Knowing the story already will certainly help, and make reading a bit easier.
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How did you learn most of the content the first time around?
You don’t mention if you have been using a textbook… I’d say if you finished Genki 2 then you are ready for Tobira and by “finishing” I mean reading: all the readings in the second half of the book and doing all the exercises in the book (specially the ones you have to write your own sentences)…