After 3 years

Despite using this site for a while, I haven’t actually ever posted. I’ve been studying for about 3 years now without skipping a day (though, I stopped after a bit in Bunpro, having reset it recently to go over everything again from the start).

I’ve lived in Japan for 2 years, and since I’m returning to the states, thought I’d share what helped me most in learning Japanese to what I’d say is more or less upper intermediate (basically able to do anything yourself without translation help in public—phone lines, internet, shutting on and off gas, reading contracts, and on to normal bar conversations on typical topics).

In the beginning, maybe around 3 months or so, I actually used duolingo and Genki I, but after a while, I felt it not really hitting what I needed. Not that I really view either of those sources as bad (really, I think text and duo are great for beginners), but that with them, my progress stagnated.

I did some research and began to use Wanikani, Bunpro, and a 6000 word deck on anki (1000 at a time) to study. Aaaand, did this every day with 20 new words a day, and 3 grammar points (slowing down to 1 if my accuracy dropped too much).

I moved to Japan about a year into studying, quickly realizing that I couldn’t really speak much at all… or understand. I’ll admit, it was a massive blow, considering my level should’ve been slightly above basic. Buuuuuut, it only took about a month to adjust my ear to the sounds (and manner of speaking in Okinawa).

Bringing me to my next point. Going to bars, sitting at the counter—or random strangers tables—and talking was by far the fastest improvement I had. By about the first 4 months in Japna, I had completed my 6k words deck and began to use migaku (which I had purchased back on Patreon waaaay before for like $10 or something), making 20 new cards a day from shows on my Netflix account.

Karaoke bars were my favorite as songs were the best way I found to increase my reading speed. I practiced basically only fast-ish songs (rap singers popular in oki or sticking to anything by creepy nuts (save for otonoke… still impossible)).

Gosh, this was more of a rant than anything, not really advice. But, if there’s anything I can say—this is definitely a process. If you stick with it, you WILL see yourself progress. Every now and then, go back to something you couldn’t understand. Realize now that ‘oh, I know that word!’ is a massive increase. Even distinguishing between words you don’t know is a huge leap. I imagine I still got a few years before I really get the hang of multi person conversations.

Keep the passion up. Don’t burn out. If you can, get to Japan and don’t be shy. (trust me, people here aren’t as shy as the internet says. In my experience, Japanese people just are raised not to talk much in certain places. Go to a bar, and boy—wild is an understatement.)

Umm anyway, probably my final post on here too. I’m not much of a forum dude, but who knows.

BYE bye!

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Even though you’ve already been here for 3 years … Welcome! :grin:

PS Your Team Bunny membership card will be arriving soon! :rabbit2:

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Oh! I’m excited now!
:rabbit2:

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I really should take the plunge and go to solo karaoke, my friends don’t go often enough to scratch the itch I always have. After 3 years, did you manage to pass N2? Or was it more that you went all in on the 日本会話 skill tree and less on coloring in boxes?

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I actually never studied for any JLPT exam. Though, I did take a few N3 practice ones for fun, my goal was never to study for that (not that there is anything wrong with test approach). I use bunpro since it’s a pretty well organized system for grammar (though at n2 I switched to a grammar dictionary due to too many synonyms in bunpro without a whole lotta context).

Either way, unless you read a lot of light novels (which I do) or slightly ‘older-age’ level manga, n2 is not suuuuper common. I hear occasionally grammar at meetings or work parties, but still not super necessary for conversational speaking. Polite or otherwise.

I’ve been told by a few that I’m likely N2 level (maybe on the low end of passing).

Definitely more on conversation for me. Though, I can read fairly quickly compared to others (again karaoke—it’s hard to solo, but trust me, you pop out the nihongo at the counter, people wana talk to you… most of the time.)
I suggest for solo, go to a karaoke bar, call ahead if you got friends to make a rese. Around 11pm or 12am is best to see others there. But many open around 9pm depending on the area.

If you ever get hit with the tsujinai—just respond with a joke. I usually go with ‘nihongo shaberarenai?’ which usually makes them laugh and let me in. Most people who don’t allow foreigners (and this is usually tiny neighborhood bars) are just very nervous to have customers who can’t talk Japanese.

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