Consistency of question marks in written question sentences

I’ve received a number of review questions, where I translated the written Japanese sentence as a statement, but then afterwards I revealed the English translation, which was marked as a question. This doesn’t sit well with me. E.g. I just received this sentence:

Is this a mistake? Should the Japanese sentence end in a question mark? I have very poor understanding of this, but I thought that the question mark was only unneeded when a particle like か ended the sentence, clearly marking a question.

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You are correct, it’s not a question though if you look at the bunpro explenation for でしょう it translate it by " right?" and “isn’t?” because the speaker is asking for your agreement on the matter and those are the closest translation in english.
Hope it makes it clearer!
If not I am certain other users will soon jump in with better explanation :smiley:

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To clarify: I wasn’t claiming that it’s not a question. As I understand it, the Japanese sentence can be either a statement or a question. In speech, verbal tones will make it clear. In writing, I believe punctuation does that job.

So as written (in Japanese), no it is not a question. But as written in the English translation… it is. Which is where the confusion comes from. Either the translation is wrong, or the punctuation is. Impossible to say.

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Putting aside the discussion on whether the Japanese sentence qualifies as a question, note that question marks didn’t actually used to be part of Japanese interpunction. A Japanese sentence functions as a question even if it ends in a full stop, as long as the contents of the sentence form a question.

While question marks and exclamation marks have been informally used in Japan for a long time already, the government only officially adopted them as recently as 2022.

Also note, for example, the sentences in the か grammar point on Bunpro:

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Of course. Understood and agreed 100%. Let me be more explicit with my point.

Both of these sentences are questions (despite the difference punctuation):

  1. 景色が綺麗な場合は写真を撮るでしょうか。
  2. 景色が綺麗な場合は写真を撮るでしょうか?

Both of these sentences are not questions (because of the differing punctuation):

  1. 景色が綺麗な場合は写真を撮るでしょう。
  2. 景色が綺麗な場合は写真を撮るでしょう?

The example in my OP is #3, a statement. But the English translation Bunpro provides with that example corresponds to #4, a question.

Emphasis added. Agreed, and that is the key point here. Without the ending か, the contents of this sentence (#3 and #4) do not form a question, hence the question mark is required in writing.

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Oh, you’re right. I see now that I what I posted is mostly outside of the scope of your OP, haha. Sorry about that.

Hmm, in that case, what is it that makes you say that–or wonder if–the Japanese sentence requires a question mark? Especially since all Japanese sentences can end in a full stop. As far as I know, there isn’t a specific rule about when question marks are required, while it is a fact that a full stop is correct at all times.

If you ask me, it comes down to this.

About the English translation:
The sentence seeks confirmation from the listener. That leaves it unsure whether or not it really qualifies as a question, but the only way to convey the same message in English is by using a question. I suppose that due to the different natures of the two languages, sometimes it is unavoidable that one language uses a question while the other doesn’t.

About the interpunction:
Regardless of whether the sentence qualifies as a question, a full stop is correct. I reckon many people would use a question mark simply because it feels natural to use one with a sentence that seeks confirmation from the listener, but it isn’t required.

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Because it’s a completely different English translation with or without it, IIUC.

  1. 景色が綺麗な場合は写真を撮るでしょう。
  2. You’ll probably take a photo if the scenery is beautiful.

And:

  1. 景色が綺麗な場合は写真を撮るでしょう?
  2. If the scenery is beautiful, you’ll take a photo, right?

The example I’m taking issue with matches the first Japanese sentence (#1) with the second English sentence (#4). But those meanings do not align. Straight from the Bunpro lesson for でしょう:

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Using でしょう without a question indicator (either particle or a question mark) indicates your estimation of a probability… not a question.

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Ahh, I see. To be completely honest, the meaning @ 2 hadn’t occurred to me yet, but I do agree that is a valid translation.

At this point I don’t think I can completely answer the question, but I’ll add a final consideration. I don’t agree that using でしょう without a question mark always means it is a statement of probability instead of seeking confirmation, for the simple reason that a full stop is always accepted. Or rather, if it were a question mark, I’d say the sentence can only be read as seeking conformation, but when it’s a full stop, I’d say both interpretations are correct.

To your credit btw, I just looked up that particular sentence in the grammar lesson, and I was expecting a rising intonation in the audio file, but there actually is no rising intonation. That rather reinforces your point that the Japanese sentence might have really been intended as a statement of probability.

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The short answer is ‘not necessarily’.

The longer answer is that the question mark was a foreign import and was not recognised in official documents until a few years ago (read more about this here and the official documentation on page 18 here). Still, it has been used in a variety of contexts for decades.

Basically, as you seem to have picked up, sometimes Japanese can feel ambiguous in writing as to the intended meaning. This is often the case when there are multiple possible intonations which can’t be clearly shown in writing. In those cases it is permissible to use a question mark. Still, it is not something someone has to do, and it is also something you’ll still see mentioned as something to avoid in very formal business communications by some people (basically, just rephrase it if needed).

These days it is very common to use question marks in all sorts of contexts, though. In texting even the use of Japanese periods (。) itself is avoided since it can seem overbearing (a concept called マルハラ, and similar to how millennials and gen Z tend to write messages in English). Question marks convey the intended intonation and soften statements.

You can read more about this sort of thing here. In essence, there are times where many older people would use a period but younger people would use a question mark. Younger people seem more likely to use question marks to indicate intonation (this is how I use it outside of formal emails as well, personally). The main conclusion being:

おそらく現代日本語では、“?”の指し示す意味が、「疑問」から「文末の音が上昇すること」へと変化しつつあるのではないかと予想されます。でも、多くの人にとっては、こういうのはどうでもいい問題なのかもしれませんね?

It should also be pointed out that in context a lot of this ambiguity goes away (and obviously in speech the intonation is different).

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Hmmmm - I am going to raise this internally to see if we can set aside some time to check sentences like this, since we do need the audio to match the meanings (or vice versa). Thank you for pointing this out :bowing_man:

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説明してくれてありがとう! :bowing_man:

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