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i am not saying mastery but enough to get by and pass n1 grammer section and be able to read manga without question i dont care for mastery
Every time I see this thread title, the End of Evangelion movie poster flashes through my mind.
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I think Bunpro community is sometimes too nice for it’s own good and i love it 
This thread that is basically indistinguishable from a troll has already 43 replies and I see no signs of stopping, myself included
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I was trying to ask a genuine question
Wait. I’ve reread the thread and its the first time your name popped up. Now I must know, Who are you and what was your genuine question?
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The question is do I study grammar again after completing n1 and start fully just immersing or do I need to continue studying grammar,
Oh you’re Pizza? The name changed so that was a bit confusing. That would also explain why someone who had set such a lofty goal was still stuck at level 1. I’m guessing you are using another account.
I’ll try and answer your question again. Once you have completed a lesson on a grammar point (whether it is N5 or N1 is irrelevant) you can say that you have learned that item. Your level of knowledge will still be pretty low, but from there on through either reviews, immersion or use you will be able to learn more about it and strengthen the memory. If you completely forget something then yes you will need to go and re-study it, the good news is that relearning is a much easier process than learning.
There will come a time when the amount of ‘studying’ you have to do will decrease, but it may never completely reduce to zero. You may end up seeing something completely new or forgetting certain things because you don’t use them very often or haven’t seen them in a while. In that case you might need relearn it.
Luckily there may also come a time that you find ‘studying’ grammar fun since you’ll reach a point where you start encountering some of those points in the wild and you realize that you are suddenly able to understand someting that you might not have been able to understand a week, month, or even a year ago. While I also felt like learning grammar points was the hardest and least pleasant part of learning Japanese when I first started. I’ve recently come to appreciate it since I’ve started seeing/hearing more and more of the grammar I learnt in various places. Simply seeing/hearing a grammar point in the wild is enough to give me joy. Even if I don’t remember the meaning perfectly, simply being able to recognize it as something I’ve covered in a lesson makes me happy and then I go and relearn the item, this time with added context. Do this enough times and you suddenly start enjoying lessons and looking forward to the first time that you encounter that item in the wild.
Tl;dr you’ll never really be done with studying as you may always need to refresh your memory or learn something that was not covered on BP or whatever other method you use. You may however find that you start liking the process of learning grammar once you gain more knowledge and are able to see the fruits of your labor when you interact with the language in the wild.
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Yea I was on my phone for a bit lol then switched to pc that’s why it’s different account, yea because my kanji level is higher than my vocab and grammar I am 3 kanji off knowing all n4 kanji while I couple hundred anki cards and I am on n4 grammar. I feel like some of the grammar points I never encounter in books r media
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Everything in N4 is extremely extremely common. If you feel like it doesn’t come up then you may want to consume more Japanese. Maybe there is some exception but nothing comes to mind right away.
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i do around 10–15 minutes of reading and finding words here-https://watanoc.com/ its bit basic going up to n3 but i see basic grammar there like de, ni, ga,suki
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Makes sense. I personally only ever use mobile if I have to finish a lot of reviews and have no access to a pc. Otherwise I’ll just wait it out.
I understand how you feel. For the longest time my kanji knowledge was way beyond my grammar. It led to me feeling like I could read all the words, but had no idea what was actually being discussed. It was like watching a movie on mute. The big action scenes were easy to understand, but the more intricate dialogue scenes left me horribly confused. Unfortunately kanji is just so much easier to learn that grammar. You also get instant gratification in that you can hear/see a word and know its meaning.
Additionally vocab is usually one for one meaning that if you have that word in your native tongue, all you need to do it remember the word in the target language and then just anchor it to the word you already know in your home language.
Grammar is a little trickier as it often requires a shift In the way you think. This can be especially true for Japanese if you are a native English speaker. The format of the language is just so different from what we expect in English. Not only do you need to remember the sounds of the grammar point, but you need to remember how it is used and you can’t just do a simple one for one translation. This means that it will be a lot more strenuous on your brain when you are trying to learn and recall the info. Additionally you need to find instances where you will use the grammar in question making it feel like you don’t see the results of your study immediately. That type of frustration can easily make you want to stop and do the thing you are more comfortable with, in this case Kanji or Vocab where you can instantly feel like you’ve learned something.
Best thing you can do is just keep up the pace and add more and more grammar to your repertoire. You’ll be more likely to encounter a grammar point you know as you learn more and more of them. That will decrease the waiting time for you to feel that sense of gratification that comes with feeling like your study was worthwhile.
I have to agree with Kitsune here. N4 grammar is insanely common. You’re likely to run into some form of the て conjugation in addition to many others. I checked the link you sent and read the first thing that came up (肉玉そばを食べるなら29日…(n4) – free web magazine written in easy Japanese language) and compiled a list of the N4 grammar and their links on BP
なら なら (JLPT N4) | Bunpro – Japanese Grammar Explained
真 真(っ) (日本語能力試験 N4) | Bunpro – 日本語の文法解説
にくい にくい (JLPT N4) | Bunpro – Japanese Grammar Explained
が見られる がみられる (日本語能力試験 N4) | Bunpro – 日本語の文法解説
みたい みたい (日本語能力試験 N4) | Bunpro – 日本語の文法解説
かわかりますか Question-phrase + か (日本語能力試験 N4) | Bunpro – 日本語の文法解説
These were what I could find from a glance. There are some N５ and N3 things as well, but most of them are definitely N4 things. Remember you’re not gonna see every single grammar point every time you read. Even less so if you’re specifically reading graded readers or one form of media. Some grammar points are only used casually for example. You’re likely to see them in Manga or dialogues, but unlikely to see them in newspaper clippings. The converse is also true. Some points are only used in formal situations so you may never see them in certain types of material. Just keep learning and you’ll notice that eventually those points will pop up as you continue your journey. Also try to vary the types of content you consume as that will increase the chances of you seeing the various formal/casual points.
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can you tell me books or articles where n4 is placed because i don’t really find them in the wild
Try reading articles on NHK easy
For example I just clicked on the first article I saw ( 東京都「早く申し込んでほしい」 18歳以下にお金を出す制度|NEWS WEB EASY )
The title uses the てほしい grammar point (てほしい (日本語能力試験 N4) | Bunpro – 日本語の文法解説)
The first sentence uses two grammar points from n4 and combines them.
Verb~易い (やすい (日本語能力試験 N4) | Bunpro – 日本語の文法解説)
にする/くする (～にする・～くする (日本語能力試験 N4) | Bunpro – 日本語の文法解説)
This was literally the first thing I found and it had a N4 point in the title and two points in the first sentence. It took less than a minute to run into those points.
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Literally any native media as well, if you are feeling up to trying it.
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I know someone already said this, but grammar study really is rewarding when you encounter something in the wild (like in native media) and you actually understand what’s going on in the sentence! It makes studying all worthwhile! The important thing is to not rush and stress out about it.
Speaking of reading, if you need some more recommendations, have a look at Natively. It’s basically a recommendation site where you can look up suitable material for your level.
Also, and I don’t know if you’re familiar with it, but for free reading material, I like Yomujp. It’s good practice if you’re not quite ready to jump into the big wide world of native material.
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Thanks i check them out but if i cant read the kanji and understand the vocab i can infer what the sentence means
how did your plan go?
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3 years 8h/day for bare n1 sounds not true 
It’s 9kh.
Even with slowest pice 1000h for 10k vocab is enough, then 500h to complete Bunpro, a bit of immersion (a big bit I guess, 500-1500) some writing with correction me for a few hundred hours. Shouldn’t take more then 3500h in the worst case, but after 3k vocab it should be not less then 30 words/h and then it’s even less time + a lot of words come form just reading and listening.
How can my calculations be wrong in negative direction?
Unfortunately that is the reality. The majority of people learning Japanese are not studying 8 hours a day for 356 days a week. Also even if they did most likely they would have distractions between the 8 hours that would disturb their studies. It take 15 minutes to get into a studying mindset where meaningful studying can start. One distraction and you likely need to start again. Look at your phone for a bit? Now you need to get back into that focused mindset. The hours that are looked at when estimates are being given are hours of real meaningful study. You can “study” for 5 hours and only get 1 hour of real learning. You are looking at it from a very technical lenses without seeing the reality of studying. There are a few exceptional people who can get N1 is a year and a half sure but for most it’s not possible. I live in Japan, my spouse is Japanese, I use Japanese all the time, I am even able to read philosophical books in Japanese. However, I am only N2 after 2 years in Japan, starting from zero. Ive also been in language school full time for 6 months and my peers who started with me are around my level or lower.
The JLPT is a joke. You could guess just well enough to pass. You only need 50 percent and it’s multiple choice. But to be at a real N1 level, including speaking, something employers want, it will take much more time to learn.
If you have knowable of beforehand that’s a different conversation. The time is a lot less and learning is easier. If not you’re likely look at years of learning. Unless you are special and have a gift for learning languages.
Reality is brutal unfortunately.
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