For you, what was the most confusing part of Bunpro as a new user?

They probably have like 100-150 reviews on average.
Atleast I added 140 N2 Grammar points throughout november and had around that many reviews on average. You might have seen my stupidly high review amount in the Race

I am having 45 reviews a day. So far very simple because N5 and N4 for me are easy,

I used genki II 11 years ago, so even the sentences are similar. That’s why I pointed out about the same use of verbs.

I know from N3 and specially N2 on are quite a nightmare (when I used shirimono at least) because they are too similar to each other those grammar points and usually we dont see them in manga in a regular basis or news article and twitter, they are very specific IMO.

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I read the sentence in japanese, read the sentence in english, check the item inside [ ] and then I think what is the answer. Since I use anki mode with keys 1,2,3 review sessions are quite fast.

That’s how I mostly learned english, I am applying to japanese now.

And as I stated above, I have 45 reviews a day doing 3 grammar points every day. So I do these 3 grammar points and get a quiz in the end with three sentences, right?

So I wanna finish N4 (I guess in february at this pace) then I will do 3 grammar points every other day, because by then I guess my vocab will increase a little more from WK (level 34 there now) and I will start reading more complex manga.

Honestly nowadays after a workday I am not in the mood like I was back in college to read manga even in my native language :stuck_out_tongue:

wow, you’re crushing it!

anki mode? going to look in the settings … the way you describe it is almost like multiple choice with hot keys…

edit: couldn’t see anything like that in the settings, is it a custom user script?

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Like others, the most confusing or overlooked piece for me has always been Cram. I don’t think I’ve ever used it, even though I’m sure there’s value there somewhere. I think it could benefit from a bit more user-friendly overview/explanation, and maybe new features too to make it easier and enticing for people like me to get started.

For example, if cram is useful for busting ghosts, make it easy to cram just your ghosts! From above it sounds like that process isn’t exactly intuitive right now, especially if you’re on mobile. Or how about an option to “Cram ghosts + all related (unlocked) grammar”? Or even unrelated to ghosts, say I want to drill all conditionals (“if”) to see the differences between them better – let me select a grammar point and a checkbox to “cram all related points”. Etc etc.

The best part has always been how the grammar is presented. I like having the synopsis and example sentences on-site, with the ability to check other references to dig deeper if needed. This saves so much time and mental energy from me needing to say myself “I don’t quite get that. I wonder what tae kim or reddit say about this point, let me google.”

One related thing: I do wish more attention was given to discussion topics for grammar points. Often I’ll go to these threads looking for help and someone will have asked a question months ago with no response. I get that it’s a community effort, but I wonder if there’s a better way to do it. If I run into one of these topics that appears abandoned, should I tag an admin?

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Yes, it is , all the way at the top of the list :wink:

Though I’m personally not really a fan of it, as it’s too easy to read over a mistake you make or think to yourself I got it right. So it works well if you’re really thorough and disciplined probably, but I wouldn’t recommend it otherwise (Though my error percentage and thus review load was way lower when I used it in the past, which was nice at least :stuck_out_tongue: )

it is a script

and just like quadban said, you have to be disciplined. A slightly mistake (specially for those formal or casual that sometimes I dont pay attention to the hint, and I end up mistaking them)

I just type key for “I dont know”. I prefer to repeat several times until I get them right.

Same with flaming durtles for WK, I use anki mode and when I say/answer wrong, I just set it to incorrect.

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interesting that on WK those threads about news articles and grammar points are way more popular than here.

Usually I ask there and I get several answers.

yes, many threads here I see they were created in the beginning of the year and then forgotten.

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To be fair though, it does have to do with the amount of active users on the forums and the level of users a bit too. You have some (very active) users with a very high level of Japanese over on the WK forums as well as a way bigger user base (For example, I get a notification for every new post made on ALL threads here in the forums, because the activity is relatively low, if I were to do that on the WK forums I would be pinged many times a minute at certain hours of the day).

I would love to contribute to the grammar point discussion and the like, but due to the low activity there I could make a mistake, not be corrected on it for months at a time and in the mean time cause either confusion or straight up mistakes in many other readers, so I stay out of it (as might others), which means lower activity, less chances for corrections… A vicious circle.

The only solution I see is to just ask questions on any thread where you get a problem, with some luck it will draw in more engagement to the threads, cause other users to browse / pay attention to it more and in a while we might see it flourish like the WK discussions.

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What’s interesting with the WK forums is that there’s a lot of activity that isn’t related to learning kanji per se

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I’ve avoided the WK forums for so long now for that reason, honestly its like 95% random superfluous rubbish.
It’s like being on an MSN chat forum from the 90’s

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I feel like they do a pretty good job at keeping that contained in the campfire section though, the on-point discussions are (generally speaking) pretty on-point.

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Fair, but theres so little of it thats useful, and just gets lost in a sea of notifications and quickly dropped down from everything else

honestly nowadays I just check some threads from time to time because most of threads now there are people talking about how they breath japanese, studying 6 hours a day and listening to podcast, checking live news, using tobira and this and that etc and such.

I felt demoralized reading this kind of stuff because for me I just let SRS do its thing and it is helping my understanding of the japanese language. Late this month I will be 1 year using WK and I see that almost 1 year before and I couldnt read the nhk easy news nor read twitter for example. I felt improving but not compared to those there, so I avoid now.

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To be fair, I think WK uses a weird Kanji order that prevents you from reading until you are on your 20s+ level.

I feel like I can read more with 3 grades of Kanji than lvl 21 WK I used to have. But that might be extremely subjective and biased towards what I read.

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WK’s kanji order isn’t optimized for reading, but more so to ease you into kanji and get over that fear.

I think even though I’m encountering kanji in my books that I won’t learn until level 20 there, the fact that WK eased me into them, the stroke order, onyomi/kunyomi and radicals means that it’s still indirectly helping me approach new content ouside of the site. Before, just looking at anything with 10 or more strokes made me want to quit reading haha

As many said before what has been confusing at first is the way Bunpro works and should be used. How ghosts are introduced/exorcised, when reviews are available (this strange unlocking every half an hour…), how many reviews are left (negative number of reviews!?) are among the most confusing features IMHO.

Since I had a few years of (slowly) studying Japanese I started by learning N3 grammar points and not having a proper comparison of the nuances between similar points confused me a lot. One may say this is acquired by exposure, but I am of the kind that likes/requires plain explanation, and sudying similar grammar points in a row may be of help for me (bad memory => need to have the same things side by side).

As an SRS it forces me to review grammar points frequently which is what I needed as a not very consistent worker. Also the explanation are very concentrated and up to the (grammar) point which helps get the gist. For more detailed explanation the resources is also a great feature I use for difficult grammar points (but the several levels of details in explanation you guys are implementing currently seems very promising :clap:).

And also the very friendly community is a plus. While the community is not very large (which I like) it is still very active and people have various interests, hobbies and experience with Japanese. :heart:

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Yeah. I work full time. I can spend like 30 minutes max a day, but not every day, on study. So I have all these SRSs set up to help with that. (Wk, torii, and bunpro).

It has really helped to keep the lowest review level at or under 50 items. A lot of the time I just have 25.

Since I am time poor, I subscribe to slow and steady. Plus’s all the SRSs help me fill time during lunch breaks or after work when waiting for dinner.

Keep at it😊

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I feel your pain (it is same for me)…

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I still have no idea how the correct percentages at the end of review sessions are calculated

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