It’s become a regular occurrence where I’m getting way less than 70% on reviews. Unless I’m misunderstanding the intent behind SRS, this sounds abnormal. While there is a cramming option, that looks more like a band aid to the underlying technical debt Bunpro is building on. Is it possible to have a missed review drop multiple levels or drop for each missed review instead of requiring the user to work around the system that I thought was built for the user? I guess I could manually do that myself but if I’m manually helping software, why not just go ahead and manage my own flash cards in Anki? Frankly, after using BunPro for years now, I seriously doubt it doesn’t have the information needed to support an FSRS system.
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It is. Check out the settings, I set mine to drop quite a bit.
I seriously doubt it doesn’t have the information needed to support an FSRS system.
The team said something like FSRS is coming, but I don’t know when.
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FSRS would make your problem worse. If you have low retention rate with the current system, FSRS would INCREASE the amount of time inbetween reviews for grammar points, which in turn would further lower your accuracy percentage. It’s going to be added but its certainly going to be a case of you think you want it but you dont. This isn’t the same as Anki where you are doing the exact same cards in reviews, here its the same grammar point with a completely different sentence.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but from my understanding of FSRS, it doesn’t increase the amount of time between reviews wholesale across the board (ie for all cards). Every card has DSR values (unlike Bunpro, which relies on a fixed interval system), meaning that if a particular card proves particularly sticky, the algorithm will reduce the review intervals until you see it daily. For Bunpro, you are just stuck in a loop where you keep forgetting it in the higher intervals, hence leading to lower accuracy rates.
The selling point for FSRS is that the easier cards are spaced further apart, but the difficult cards still (like the older SRS algorithms) have their ‘ease’/DSR values dropped the more you get it wrong, so I don’t see why adopting FSRS will lead to a lower accuracy percentage?
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Like I said earlier, I’ve been using BunPro for years so you can be assured I’m aware it’s the same grammar point with completely different sentences.
I think it’s worth reviewing the FSRS system to better understand that it better adapts to a persons level, like theremeene describes.
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Thanks for pointing me to the right spot.
I see the SRS Strictness. I increase that number to get it to drop lower right? I’m not sure if half or full are for me but what settings do you use? I’m just trying 2 right now and set the intervals to be ‘shortest’
I had mine on zero ghosts and only 1 drop the entire time to minimize reviews while I went through all the grammar points bunpro has to offer, then I increased it to 3 once I finished so I could get more practice only on the things I struggled with. Worked for me, but I immerse a ton.
My intervals are on default. I can’t remember if that was even a setting when I went through grammar.
I would enable FSRS immediately when Bunpro releases it. I use it on my Anki immersion vocab decks and it’s really good.
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It shouldn’t. One of the important features of FSRS is that you can set it to a target retention rate (people usually chose 90%) and it dynamically adapts the intervals for each card to reach that retention rate.
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A method I’m experimenting with is adding Bunpro terms to a custom Anki deck. But yes, the amount of times terms appear is pretty low so if you cheat the early levels by marking answers correct when your ability to recall and understand is tenuous at best, then it becomes a serious problem when that term stops appearing for a long time.
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That’s a creative assumption but perhaps a more grounded reading would show the problem is with the SRS implementation like I pointed out. Let stay on topic shall we?
I am merely stating that the reviews dont show up often enough, especially at later levels. So if you cheat the early levels, it becomes exacerbated. The royal you, sir. The royal you. People have asked if it’s okay to mark terms they just learned as correct even if they forgot it because they feel embarrased. But based on how infrequent reviews come up, the answer should be no, because it would only make the memory problem worse. I personally feel the review frequency should be higher in adept and seasoned than it currently is. The current rate is too low, leading to poor retention and the need for cramming and extra review outside the norm. I often purposely mark things incorrect just to make it appear again. So unless I get the answer absolutely right, there’s a chance I mark it wrong just to see it again depending on the nature of the ‘incorrectness’.
Can someone make a meme like:
“Learn concept and undertand it well, why it exists, how it exists, how so, how it is used”
And on the other hand
“Let’s cram this item in which I have about zero interest and emotional connection and I don’t know why I need it”
No srs or other system will help if the thing that is being learned is useless for learner. On the other hand make it important and you’ll have forgetting curve that lasts for months and years.
But ok, I guess this is just concept and we have balance, and everything has its own pros and cons
“Just immerse bro” - it’s a meme for a reason.
A lot of people have learnt Japanese to a high level with or without SRS or FSRS or whatever. It’s a powerful tool to use but stressing about the technical details of how and when your flashcards are being served is distracting you from the main goal of learning, using, and enjoying the language.
I often get under 70% on reviews too. But I’m ok with it. I know if I keep engaging with the language in a variety of ways it will become clear eventually.
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Would you care to actually try to make a clear point? Like I’ve already said and already reminded others, I’ve been at this for years. The failures I’m seeing now are a new development so can you please check your assumptions about people you don’t know before judging intent?
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Memes aren’t people
And it’s a little ironic catching this while literally watching anime right now 
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You’re getting very upset with people for pointing out that quite possibly, the problem is you and not the system. Who is the one forgetting grammar points and dropping the levels here, exactly? Hint: Not Bunpro.
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You are absolutely wrong. The problem I have is fan boys who fail to behave like adults and can’t refrain from making dismissive remarks
Stop
Making
Dismissive
Remarks
When
The
Critique
Is
Valid
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I think this thread has gotten a bit off track.
The reality is no system is going to work perfectly for everyone. This goes for any tool, including Bunpro. Just like with Anki, you may need to tweak some of your settings to find what works for you. There are SRS strictness settings, interval settings and ghost options within the settings in the site that allow you to do just that.
I think the main issue with what you initially wrote in your post and what a lot of the comments you are perceiving as negative are trying to convey is that you are putting the blame on the system not working. You can’t really equate something not working for you to be the same as it not working at all, especially when it works for lots of other users. Anki never worked for me personally but I know tons of people swear by it, so clearly something with how I had it setup is likely the reason it “didn’t work” for me.
Of course that doesn’t dismiss the validity of what you are experiencing. It is probably very much a case of it not working for you as you have it setup but what people in the thread are trying to point out is that you do have the power to adjust it to find something that you feel works for you.
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Well actually no. Adorable already addressed the problem for me hours ago and if you take a look at the beginning, you can see I started getting comments that seemed a bit unrelated hours after the problem was resolved and not helpful and some were flat dismissive. I think it’s a little unrealistic to expect anyone to tolerate that after the problem was already addressed.
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