It shouldn’t. One of the important features of FSRS is that you can set it to a target retention rate (people usually chose 90%) and it dynamically adapts the intervals for each card to reach that retention rate.
A method I’m experimenting with is adding Bunpro terms to a custom Anki deck. But yes, the amount of times terms appear is pretty low so if you cheat the early levels by marking answers correct when your ability to recall and understand is tenuous at best, then it becomes a serious problem when that term stops appearing for a long time.
That’s a creative assumption but perhaps a more grounded reading would show the problem is with the SRS implementation like I pointed out. Let stay on topic shall we?
I am merely stating that the reviews dont show up often enough, especially at later levels. So if you cheat the early levels, it becomes exacerbated. The royal you, sir. The royal you. People have asked if it’s okay to mark terms they just learned as correct even if they forgot it because they feel embarrased. But based on how infrequent reviews come up, the answer should be no, because it would only make the memory problem worse. I personally feel the review frequency should be higher in adept and seasoned than it currently is. The current rate is too low, leading to poor retention and the need for cramming and extra review outside the norm. I often purposely mark things incorrect just to make it appear again. So unless I get the answer absolutely right, there’s a chance I mark it wrong just to see it again depending on the nature of the ‘incorrectness’.
Can someone make a meme like:
“Learn concept and undertand it well, why it exists, how it exists, how so, how it is used”
And on the other hand
“Let’s cram this item in which I have about zero interest and emotional connection and I don’t know why I need it”
No srs or other system will help if the thing that is being learned is useless for learner. On the other hand make it important and you’ll have forgetting curve that lasts for months and years.
But ok, I guess this is just concept and we have balance, and everything has its own pros and cons
“Just immerse bro” - it’s a meme for a reason.
A lot of people have learnt Japanese to a high level with or without SRS or FSRS or whatever. It’s a powerful tool to use but stressing about the technical details of how and when your flashcards are being served is distracting you from the main goal of learning, using, and enjoying the language.
I often get under 70% on reviews too. But I’m ok with it. I know if I keep engaging with the language in a variety of ways it will become clear eventually.
Would you care to actually try to make a clear point? Like I’ve already said and already reminded others, I’ve been at this for years. The failures I’m seeing now are a new development so can you please check your assumptions about people you don’t know before judging intent?
Memes aren’t people
And it’s a little ironic catching this while literally watching anime right now
You’re getting very upset with people for pointing out that quite possibly, the problem is you and not the system. Who is the one forgetting grammar points and dropping the levels here, exactly? Hint: Not Bunpro.
You are absolutely wrong. The problem I have is fan boys who fail to behave like adults and can’t refrain from making dismissive remarks
Stop
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When
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Critique
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I think this thread has gotten a bit off track.
The reality is no system is going to work perfectly for everyone. This goes for any tool, including Bunpro. Just like with Anki, you may need to tweak some of your settings to find what works for you. There are SRS strictness settings, interval settings and ghost options within the settings in the site that allow you to do just that.
I think the main issue with what you initially wrote in your post and what a lot of the comments you are perceiving as negative are trying to convey is that you are putting the blame on the system not working. You can’t really equate something not working for you to be the same as it not working at all, especially when it works for lots of other users. Anki never worked for me personally but I know tons of people swear by it, so clearly something with how I had it setup is likely the reason it “didn’t work” for me.
Of course that doesn’t dismiss the validity of what you are experiencing. It is probably very much a case of it not working for you as you have it setup but what people in the thread are trying to point out is that you do have the power to adjust it to find something that you feel works for you.
Well actually no. Adorable already addressed the problem for me hours ago and if you take a look at the beginning, you can see I started getting comments that seemed a bit unrelated hours after the problem was resolved and not helpful and some were flat dismissive. I think it’s a little unrealistic to expect anyone to tolerate that after the problem was already addressed.
FSRS as a system aims to optimize the balance between review frequency and retention, to do this it will always eventually ‘reduce’ the reviews you are getting, this works great when its the same card you’re doing each time. In your anki deck the correct answer for 侍 is always going to be さむらい, however if you were asked on bunpro to give a grammar point in a sentence you hadn’t seen before with the target being an “Even if” type of feeling, its unlikely you’re going to lazer in on the correct point if you haven’t seen it for months after its been spaced out for so long, which is FSRS’s entire goal, larger spaced reviews.
I agree to an extent but I also dont think FSRS would assist me with the Grammer aspect.
The answer has been answered, but also you can change a bit more in your reviews, from both Grammer and Vocab.
Out of curiosity, what do your review settings look like?
For Grammar is it fill-in or reading? Input or reveal?
Same for Vocab(assuming you use bunpro with vocab too)
How many new words or grammer points do you add a day? How much reading/listening do you further do a day?
How often do you change the method that you study?
I change up how I study every so often and my retention takes a hit, because my brain gets used to seeing or thinking in a way to answer questions. It takes me a while to get that back on track, and during that time I dont add anything new. I also dont ever cram because that seems like time I could be reading manga or the like.
I also have bunpro at its hardest strictness, so it never gets to a point that I forget and then dont see it again for a week or a month. I see it within an hour, two hours, four, eight ect.
This is a common complaint ive seen from a few people, and so changing it has helped me. I also do a shit ton of reading everyday so I read the grammar points quite a bit, and as such use input as an attempt to bridge that gap to speech.
I also just changed recently my vocab to reading from the jp->eg I was doing before. Now, if I dont understand how the word is interacting within a sentence I mark it wrong. this caused my retention going from like 90% to like 70, and finally I’ve evened out around 80.(Again, Im attempting to understand the entire sentence and sometimes I will only know the single word within the entire sentence).
Everything has its own issues obviously as we all know, and I think when it comes to grammar FSRS, unless each and every sentence will be its own card, I think it gets a little complicated because many cards(Verb based) will have you utilize multiple points of Grammer while its asking about one(Passive-Causative+いけない type shit). As well as the many different types of ways of saying the same thing. As such, approaching grammer like its vocab wont work and with that, even bunpro is flawed imo, albeit it does help with seeing and using it on a somewhat frequent basis, and more often than not, shows me more methods of how a piece of grammer can work.
Anyway tl;dr change up those settings, change up your methods, and dont stress to much on that number at the end. Can you read/talk/listen more or less day to day and understand? That there is that end goal.
Sadly, that is just how most online spaces work Advice gets usually more generic and less helpful the longer a discussion goes on.
I hope you’ll notice better retetion with the fix. And I would be curious to know if you ever find out what made the current learning stage harder for you, than the stages before. Since you’ve been using bunpro for years and so far hadn’t had such trouble with your retention, it’s likely that something else has changed for you.
I’m sorry, I didn’t have an intend to offend you
まじでやばい草草草
I just set the strictness to 2 right now and ghost on mistakes. Not sure if this is best for me but I’ll figure it out as I go along I guess
Thank you. Apology accepted