Ghosts on or off?

I personally have ghosts off because they were adding to much work to what I was already doing. Should I turn them back on? What does everyone else do when it comes to this?

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I like ghosts :slight_smile:
But my daily review is only normally around 50 (rarely hits 100 every now and then but not often) so they donā€™t really effect my load. Although I think Iā€™d only ever turn them off if they werenā€™t helping not because they added to much of a load.
Donā€™t ask for a lighter load, ask for a stronger back and all that good jazz.

Also if youā€™re just secretly scared of the spooky boys and girls donā€™t worry I wonā€™t tell anyone

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Love ghosts, the pros far outweigh the cons IMO and helped me with long-term retention. I think ghosts also help you with building a sustainable workload going forward and youā€™re able to tell when you have too much on your plate and need to take a day+ off from new stuff. I think I also like it so much because my Anki is configured in a similar fashion to show me cards I missed at set intervals before going back into my official review pile.

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I had the too much workload issue, but I set them to minimal and Iā€™ve found itā€™s the perfect balance

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trust me, let it on by default. Thereā€™s good reason why they implement ghost review type, especially for grammar study. Youā€™ll thank yourself in the future.

The one you should control is number of lesson, review schedule and consistency

If you feel too much to work on, instead of ghost problem, itā€™s because thereā€™s too many new grammar you take, but doesnā€™t really doing well with some grammars before it

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I would say to definitely keep them on and control the number of new grammars you end up taking so your workload is not as daunting. Ghosts have really helped me internalize and retain grammar concepts more, even though it can be a little annoying at times. Despite this I still definitely recommend leaving it on!

You could also try and see if setting them to ā€œminimalā€ would help? Iā€™ve personally never done this but it could be a lot better than the default setting.

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how would u ever get the 9999 ghostslayer acheivement if u turn them down? thats oviously the more concerning part.

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Do you wanna be a Ghostbuster but hate ectoplasm? If youā€™re anything like me, then youā€™d want to have the ghosts turned on. Oh, I guess it could help with learning Japanese, if you really want to do that.

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I have ghost reviews set on minimal and IĀ“m quite happy with it.

When I first started Bunpro, the Ghost SRS was a little different and they kept haunting me up to a point where I dropped Bunpro altogether (not the only reason, but a big part of it).

With my reset start I decided to go the minimal route because ghosts are an important indicator on which grammar I did not fully understand.
Sometimes I make mistakes by just misinterpreting a hint or have an other grammar point in mind, so when I get it wrong the first time, I can re-read the explanation and just move on. If I get it wrong a second and third time, I know I didnĀ“t understand the grammar as properly as I thought and have to tackle the ghosts until I get it in my head.
At this point I usually bookmark the grammar and start a cram session with similar grammar points to drill the differences. Works like a charm so far :slight_smile:

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Ghosts on here, no question about it. The way I look at it:

  1. The initial study is for me to understand the grammar in order to apply it later.
  2. The SRS helps me not forget what I have learned. (Note, it doesnā€™t help me learn, it just reinforces existing knowledge)
  3. The ghosts are for all the times when I didnā€™t learn the grammar well enough, when I learned a new grammar item later that caused confusion, etc. Thatā€™s when I clear up my mistakes and confusion.

Another way I look at it is that if I got something wrong, itā€™s something I have difficulty with, would it be enough for me to see it again in, say, 10 min, get it right there and then not see it again until in the next SRS stage which is in 2 weeks or 2 months? Thatā€™s doubtful.
On the other hand, if I got something wrong and Iā€™m of the opinion, ā€œhey, I thought I knew this quite wellā€. It should then be easy to just go through the ghosts at 4 hours, 12 hours, 24 hours, and 48 hrs, right? Experience has shown me that, yes, sometimes it is easy, but sometimes it really isnā€™t. The extra practice really helps.

If I have trouble with too many ghosts, it is usually because I was greedy with the grammar points. This is a marathon, not a sprint.

Edit : I allow myself a few exceptions to ghosts. If I make a typo, I use the backspace key or the Oops button to try again. Also, I never ever create a ghost the first time Iā€™m doing a grammar point because thatā€™s just a failure in short-term memory. Finally, if I have come up with 2-3 answers that are correct but not exactly what Bunpro was looking for, I sometimes give myself a pass on that one.

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Off. They kind of annoy me. If I get stuck on a grammar point I just manually reset it or run drills with the cram feature.

I think if they could be done separately Iā€™d really enjoy them and wouldnā€™t mind the extra practice. Iā€™d just rather focus on my actual reviews without being bothered by a bunch of nuisance ghost typos.

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Iā€™m about to make your day. You can use the backspace key to undo wrong answers (e.g. to correct typos), so you donā€™t end up with a ghost for those. Itā€™s also useful for grammar points that have very similar English translations, but they staff hasnā€™t yet added a hint for (more common at the N2/N1 level).

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@Jake This is an extremely common problem for users to have. Can you put in the right hints to teach users that they can do this? I can think of two places for such an affordance:

  1. If someone goes to the settings to change ghosts to minimal / none, teach them that they can use the Oops button / backspace
  2. If someone creates a lot of ghosts and never uses backspace / Oops button, tell them about it.

Such an affordance would have saved me a lot of grief ā€¦

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Technically it does tell you, but it isnā€™t very obvious

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@Slysoft I personally use Minimal Ghosts! I feel like the default setting can be a bit overwhelming. You can get the Exorcist badge faster with the default setting though. :thinking:

@narfi Thereā€™s actually already plans in motions to address this in a future update for Reviews. Canā€™t disclose much right now but know that weā€™re aware itā€™s not the best way to teach hotkeys. Stay tuned!

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I also think that it would help to delay continuing your reviews (or the option of a delay) when you incorrectly answer a review. Half of my ghosts are just typos that got marked as incorrect from double-tapping the Enter key. Part of the problem is me trying to quickly get through my reviews in the little time that I have to do them, but itā€™s frustrating to have ghosts pop up when I know I never really got them wrong.

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definitely on, they are like leeches (on wanikani) right?

I have 21 at the moment, I think it is a good number so far. Some points dont stick to my mind at all

most of them are those ā€˜I heard/seemsā€™ that have many ways to say. Even with hint it is hard to remember all.

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Turned them off and enjoying the site a lot more without them. They just became unmanageable for me.

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I keep them on but I donā€™t do new lessons if I have more than 10 ghosts. To be fair Iā€™m going slow - but it works really well for me :slight_smile:

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This thread jinxed me. I went from 15 ghosts to 35 in a weekā€¦

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