JLPT December 2023

IRT isn’t about comparing test takers with each other. IRT is about maintaining a difficulty level across multiple tests over many years. For this, the questions need to be weighed, and the difficulty values need come from something, so there’s some amount of comparing going on, but not necessarily between people who take the test together. The idea is that you get a passing grade if you’re statistically likely to have the required ability to pass past and future tests at the same level too. So it doesn’t really have much to do with how other test takers do in the same test.

Unfortunately, IRT makes it really difficult to evaluate mock test results. It’s not just that more difficult questions are worth more points. That would happen without IRT too. But for the statistics to work, test results can’t be too close to the extremes, or in other words, if some passes with 100% correct, you don’t actually know where they really stand because they could be at any point outside the scale too. So in order to avoid too many results getting too close to 0% or 100%, there are going to be questions that are way too difficult, but there also are questions that are way too easy. It’s possible to get a significant number of questions right and still score really badly because those easy questions will not be worth a lot of points. Conversely, it’s possible to miss some questions and still get perfect marks.

As for failure rates, I think part of the reason for the high failure rate is just that some people literally need the JLPT for something and will take it at any opportunity they can get. Apart from people living in Japan and working for a Japanese company, a JLPT pass can also significantly improve your CV in a number of other (mostly Asian) countries. But It’s not that we’d expect a pass rate near 100% for other language tests either, because those reasons apply to other tests too. If you think the failure rate is way too high, that’s probably just because you’re trying to be well prepared and trying to take a test that’s actually at your level. But not everybody does that. They might also count the no-shows as failures, too.

I’ve only taken the JLPT once myself, and only N1, but I also went through multiple years of mock tests on various levels. One thing that surprised me when I realised it was how few of the questions actually require understanding the text as a whole. Often times a question will only cover a small part of the text, in particular sometimes the questions for a text will just sequentially cover information in individual passages of the text. Another thing that often helps is underlining key words in answer options, and then underlining them in the main text too - if an option has a key word that just doesn’t appear, that option is much less likely to be correct. And when a key word does appear, the information you need to find out if the text agrees with the key word or doesn’t is usually really close by. Of course there will be cases where it’s not that simple, but anyway, if the text as whole is too confusing, try to see if you can solve the questions without that global understanding. And even if not, if you can just rule out one option, that already improves your chances to guess the correct answer. Don’t give up too early.

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That’s a lot of words spent unsuccessfully trying to deny the obvious. It’s simple. The only way that IRT has to calibrate difficulty is by seeing how many people get each question wrong and the correlations between them.

This means that if you ever increased the quality of the applicant pool (perhaps by eliminating the no-hopers who take the test without studying that you mention, or by any other method), the pass rate wouldn’t go up. When the test taker cohort improves, IRT just interprets that as the test being too easy and adjusts the thresholds upwards. It’s inherently a red queen’s race. There’s really no way to argue otherwise.

Also, people who sign up but don’t show up for the test are counted separately in the statistics (incidentally, I’m surprised this number is so high).

I would have assumed the opposite. Answers that appear verbatim in the text are less likely to be correct at the high levels, because they try to make the questions tricky like that. It’s certainly true of the listening section at least.

No, you can develop a large set of questions and calibrate that once. Then you build tests out of questions from that pool. That’s how computerised tests work, too. That’s why some of those can be taken at more or less any time and everybody can get a different test. Because IRT gives you a model to evaluate all those different tests in a way that is consistent and fair.

Bit of an accomplishment:

I was poking around one of the older N2 tests and wanted to see how bad I would do on the little “★” problems, which are usually my lowest thing. I got 4/5 of them correct on one test and I think either 3-4/5 correct on another.

I still don’t think I’m going to pass but I do feel good I’m improving on them, because I know for a fact a few months ago they would have been impossible.

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UK train strikes announced some operators on 3 December so probably worth looking at coaches if you are likely to be affected Train drivers announce new strikes in December - BBC News

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Hi, I have a question for the people who already took exams in the past.
I’m still aiming for N4 in the summer as there won’t be a N5 in my region.
At the moment I’ve finished kanji and grammar for N5 (and started N4) but not the vocabulary.
I’d like to get the Kanzen master books for listening and reading.
Would you recommend to get both N5 and N4 books or should I just go with N4?

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I’d just go with N4 - these books might take longer to finish than intended and you wouldn’t want to start with the N5 books and never get to the N4 ones!
There is also a lot of revision of points naturally as you move up the JLPT levels, so I think just doing the N4 ones is a better use of your time :slight_smile:

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I don’t believe there are shinkanzen master books for N5

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You are right. I saw the series on a website in random order and thought there would be N5 for sure.
Well I guess that makes the decision easy :smiley:
Sorry about that

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I really like this series of JLPT books, as well as shinkanzen master. They have a N5 books

The shortened url is for a Amazon.co.jp search that’s really long

https://tinyurl.com/jplt-ninja-books

https://www.amazon.co.jp/s?k=JLPT+ポイント%26プラクティス&crid=DQWO7MFD8M8F&sprefix=jlpt+ポイント%26プラクティス%2Caps%2C197&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

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There’s also the Nihongo So-Matome books as well. I believe those reach N5 and N4. They also have a question book of practice exercises as well which I found super useful.

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Arrgh the shinkanzen N4 mock exam star questions were awful and I got 0/5!

Is there anywhere that has lots of the star questions for practice?

Yeah good shout. I had already booked the coach as train travel on a Sunday in the UK seems so…

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I will be in Japan for the JLPT this December. I signed up for the N4 level, thinking I’d be done with Bunpro by then. But life happened and I had to reset and restart all N4 material. Now, I’m thinking of just not taking the exam altogether because I’ll fail anyway. My time in Japan is limited and I’d rather spend one whole Sunday with my SO, who I will be visiting there. Part of me, however, is hoping I’d somehow get lucky and pass the exam. But if that happens, it won’t matter since my ultimate goal is fluency. Passing the exam is just a bonus. Do you think I should still take the exam? I don’t mind treating the exam fees sunk cost if I miss the exam.

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Try the exam, see where you stand. Anything below N3 cert is not something you’d benefit in your career, so treat those as a “Where am I now”-test.
So try to get over the pressure and see, how a JLPT-test feels like. So when you’ll take it again, you know what to expect. :slight_smile:

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I agree with @AshuRage - even if it doesn’t go great, it will be beneficial to see which areas you’re comfortable in and where you need to focus more attention before the next time. And who knows, there’s always a chance you will pass! But there’s a 0% chance of passing if you don’t take it :slight_smile:

Maybe your SO can come with you for the day so you can spend all the time around the JLPT together? Then it will only take a couple of hours out of your time together.

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I’ll also add that N5 and N4 have a lot more overlap than I thought. I wasn’t complete with Genki 2 or most of the N4 grammar when I took it and I still was able to pass it on my first try. I’m not trying to get your hopes but but you MAY surprise yourself with how good you do.

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Personally, I would skip the exam. Spend the limited time you have in Japan doing things you enjoy. Even if you pass N4 it won’t change anything, and if you don’t pass it will feel like a wasted opportunity.

I think you should take it, but not take it too seriously (ba-dum tssh).
Seriously, I think you might regret it if you don’t take it - it’s a few hours out of your schedule - but definitely spend all of the rest of your valuable time in Japan doing as much other stuff as you can :slight_smile:
It’s not the end of the world at all if you skip it though - you can try next year - but it might be good to take the opportunity while it’s there!

Is it ok if I vent/paste my study log here?

Yesterday, I took the 2011-12 JLPT N2 test, and for the first time, I tried actually doing it under somewhat test-like conditions. I started it in the morning when I’d have more energy, and set a timer for 105 minutes and tried to do the language knowledge section straight through without breaks, the way it would be for the actual exam.

I went through vocab in only 21 minutes (though I was frustrated by how many words I didn’t know) and then skipped grammar and tackled the reading section. However, about a quarter of the way into reading, I really started to flag and started feeling hungry and really needing to use the bathroom, and I only made it two thirds of the way through and didn’t even get to the grammar section at all.

Besides the physical challenges, the reading section especially really is a mental marathon. And unlike the previous tests, I was doing this one for the first time, meaning that the reading took more time due to lack of familiarity. But I feel like some of the passages were a lot harder too. Like there was one about elephant training that wasn’t too bad, but then they’ll just throw an essay about novel interpretation at you and I have no idea even after rereading the text and questions several times. But my hope is that doing lots of these exams will help build up mental stamina so that I at least don’t get so overwhelmed mentally by the reading (and grammar if I ever get to that).

I took a long break and ate breakfast and took the listening section much later, which wouldn’t happen on the actual exam, but to be fair, on the actual exam, I would eat breakfast before I go to take the exam. I did conclude though that I should probably avoid drinking any water the morning before the exam to reduce the risk of needing to use the bathroom.

In the afternoon and evening, I further tortured myself by going back and doing the last part of the reading section and the grammar section I didn’t have time for before, just to get more practice. Although I really question why I even bother with the grammar section sometimes, since it doesn’t seem like there’s much practice value in just staring at each question for a couple of minutes and then putting in a guess only marginally better than chance, and I’m unlikely to have time to even attempt the grammar section on the real exam anyway.

Anyway, here are my scores, using the official time limit, with questions I didn’t have time for scored as .25:

Vocabulary: 22/32
Grammar: 5.5/22
Reading: 9.75/21
Listening: 20/30
* Task-based comprehension: 2/4
* Point-based comprehension: 5/6
* Summary: 4/5
* Quick response: 7/11
* Integrated comprehension: 2/4

And here are my scores including the parts I did later with no time limit:

Grammar: 9/22
Reading: 12/21

I did worse on every single section than I did last week, and I was already really disappointed with my results last week. I guess I just have to hope that this was an unusually difficult exam or that the majority of test takers are even worse than me.

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