"Mark as expert" in lessons? [feature request]

[Hubbit200]

Hi, new user here!

While going through the N5 deck I’ve been coming accross a fair few grammar points I already know, and so don’t want to do the full SRS for again. However, rather than immediately marking as mastered and never seeing it again, I’d ideally like to be able to mark them as expert, so that I have one review before that to make sure I really do know it.

If (understandably) a new button to “mark as expert” might be too confusing etc. then maybe we could get a setting to show it if wanted? Or to change what level the “Mark as…” button sets it to?

Thanks!

[linlunds]

I second this!

[EdBunpro]

@Hubbit200

However, rather than immediately marking as mastered and never seeing it again, I’d ideally like to be able to mark them as expert, so that I have one review before that to make sure I really do know it.

I totally see where you’re coming from with this suggestion. However it’d be a little difficult for Expert-tier SRS ranks because those intervals are multiple months long. It would essentially be saying “quiz me on this 6+ months from now.” Inside Learn, the rationale behind Mark as Mastered there was for users to quickly get rid of things they already knew so they wouldn’t have to keep going in and out of Learn sessions if they knew a bunch of stuff. This is why you (currently) can’t alter the SRS level.

If you manually go to the Item in question, you can change the SRS level for it to be whatever you want. It will, however, give you a review on it right away. I just tested a possible scenario that may be relevant to you:

1. Mark item as masted
2. Set the SRS to 10
3. Do a review of it right away, thus it becomes SRS 11
4. Next review session will be in ~5 months for one final test just to make sure

This may be able to accomplish your “so that I have one review before that to make sure I really do know it” statement, but technically it’s two reviews instead of one. There may be a more streamlined way to do all of this but it does start teetering into messy territory. We don’t get much feedback or comments about manually setting SRS items so it’s good to hear some feedback about it. We’ve had light internal discussions about it in the past but I’ll bring this specific item up again for any future considerations. Thanks!

[stephane]

you can set at whichever level you want with the boxes in the progress category on the right of each grammar lesson.
Or I misunderstood your request ?

I personaly play with these all the time one way or another as I feel the SRS is not that accurate of a benchmark to your actual knowledge

[Rukishou]

Whether this should have a dedicated button or not, I will chime in to say I do this manually a lot, for words that I’m pretty confident I know but want the safety net of having to get it right two times in a row (meaning I set it to Expert 1, not 2) down the line; and if I fail, the SRS auto-adjusts.

I will say, the option to accomplish this from within the lesson would be greatly appreciated, as right now the only option is to mark as completed or to leave the lesson and go to the vocab’s dedicated page

[Hubbit200]

Thanks for the detailed reply!

As @Rukishou also mentions - I think this would be super useful for words which I’m fairly sure I know but want to make sure I do. In my original post I said I wanted to have just one review - but two would also be fine. It’s just about not having to do all the SRS levels for words which I know fairly well, but still doing 1-2 reviews to make sure.

Your idea of setting the SRS to 10, doing a review right away, then one more in aprox 5 months sounds great, however doing all of those manual steps is just incredibly impractical. So far on N5 I’ve already marked almost 50 as mastered - it would have taken quite a while to go to the pages and manually change the SRS level for all of those, and I already have very little time in my day!
It would be amazing to have a way to do this easily and quickly from the lessons page - maybe a Mark as Expert button which sets it to expert 1 and then has it in the end-of-lessons quiz, taking it up to expert 2 (scheduling it for 5 months away).

Alternatively, probably more easily, just having the option to change the level the current “Mark as…” button sets it to would be almost as good - as you say marking an item as SRS 11 will push the review 5 months away, but that’s not too bad. It would just have been “reviewed” as a lesson, and then 5 months down the line it would be double-checked. Better than nothing!

[EdBunpro]

@Hubbit200

Your idea of setting the SRS to 10, doing a review right away, then one more in aprox 5 months sounds great, however doing all of those manual steps is just incredibly impractical. So far on N5 I’ve already marked almost 50 as mastered - it would have taken quite a while to go to the pages and manually change the SRS level for all of those, and I already have very little time in my day!
It would be amazing to have a way to do this easily and quickly from the lessons page - maybe a Mark as Expert button which sets it to expert 1 and then has it in the end-of-lessons quiz, taking it up to expert 2 (scheduling it for 5 months away).

Yeah I agree it’s impractical for sure. For WaniKani users we do have the ability to set previous learned items to either mastered or Seasoned, which seems to take care of a lot of use cases for those users previously exposed to Vocab. Your situation is a bit different, which is good!, but just takes a different approach.

We do have plans for bulk marking items for Vocab in the future though. Not entirely fleshed out, but I would imagine it would also include an option to set custom SRS levels, etc. Not that any of that information would help you right at this second, but just for future reference

@Hubbit200

Alternatively, probably more easily, just having the option to change the level the current “Mark as…” button sets it to would be almost as good - as you say marking an item as SRS 11 will push the review 5 months away, but that’s not too bad. It would just have been “reviewed” as a lesson, and then 5 months down the line it would be double-checked. Better than nothing!

IMO another good idea in practice, but personally I want to avoid users going to Settings in order to change a setting because they probably won’t know it’s even adjustable in the first place. If that makes sense. If anything, we would just have a dropdown with the SRS levels that would let you know when the next hypothetical review would be. A lot to think about either way, I’ll either post in this thread or engage with you privately about any information and if I have any questions. Currently in a food coma so my brain is operating at 40% efficiency hahaha, don’t want to start making wild promises at 9PM. Thanks again!!

[Hubbit200]

Sounds good, thank you for considering my suggestion!

@EdBunpro

Yeah I agree it’s impractical for sure. For WaniKani users we do have the ability to set previous learned items to either mastered or Seasoned, which seems to take care of a lot of use cases for those users previously exposed to Vocab. Your situation is a bit different, which is good!, but just takes a different approach.

We do have plans for bulk marking items for Vocab in the future though. Not entirely fleshed out, but I would imagine it would also include an option to set custom SRS levels, etc. Not that any of that information would help you right at this second, but just for future reference

Just to clarify - I am a WaniKani user and have it set up to automatically set learned items to mastered. My issue is with the grammar items - there’s lots of (especially N5) grammar which I’ve already learned / been exposed to a lot, and so I don’t want to spend time going through the full SRS for those. But as WaniKani is only vocab, I do want to just double-check even for the grammar I think I know by not setting them to mastered immediately!