Looking forward to this.
This is brilliant and exactly the kind of direction Bunpro needs, especially as online resources change and become obsolete or become unavailable. I am really impressed with how much content has been added in the past year and I look forward with what is to come.
I actually think I might go through all the N5 grammar again just to see if I can learn some new things or pick up on anything Iโve missed before.
I think Bunpro may have just convinced me to go back through the entire system all over again as these updates are released.
I feel like I say this with every update, but the Bunpro team is one of the most professional teams out there, and I am continuously blown away by the progress this app has made since it was first released and I started using it as my main grammar resource.
Absolutely outstanding passion for improving the product, offering it at a great value, and always making sure questions are answered. Bravo. As always, keep up the good work! I will continue to sing Bunproโs praises at every opportunity I get
Also just want to add to @Asher
@Asher Having seen your contributions to Bunpro since you joined their team, I have been thoroughly impressed. I remember your post about each sound having their own inherent meaning, and disagreeing with you (maybe even a bit aggressively at times) and unfortunately let that interaction affect my judgement of your view on Japanese on the whole. However, Iโd like to retract any doubt that I once had because, I mean, wow. Glad to see what youโve been up to at Bunpro!
Edited to add:
Very much same. I got Bunpro lifetime at a heck of a steal some 4+ years ago, and would really like to continue to support its development!
Edit 2, Electric Boogaloo:
Oh man how I would love to see something like this. The ไผๆดฅๅผ in my area of Fukushima is such a weird dialect, and Iโd love a reason to start taking a catalogue of it more seriously.
Very excited about this, itโs been great seeing the site grow over the 2 years Iโve been here. You guys are doing absolutely nuts amounts of improvement to the site as of late!
What a company btw!
After using Bunpro for a short while now, I feel like learning Japanese without it would be next to impossible. only Started using it a year after I started studying, I struggled through N5 grammar without it and now Iโm blasting through N4 with next to no trouble. Should be starting N3 in a fortnight! Exciting.
Old posts
I still hold that view to be honest! But more on a โThis is cool!โ rather than a โEverybody needs to know this if they want to learn Japaneseโ level. Maybe even something I can do a much better writeup about somedayโฆ (compared to my rants back when I first thought I was on to something )
I highly appreciate the sentiment, and would like to also mention that the support from the rest of the team at every point is pivotal to what I, and every other team member does here. We are honestly all so enthusiastic about making learning Japanese an easier experience, that the work itself is extremely rewarding!
We actually have a fair few resources available to us that we would eventually love to pull apart, and then reassemble Bunpro style when it comes to classical Japanese. Especially things like ๆผขๆ, and gramattical structures that no longer exist (but are still important in their own right).
As for Slang, that is definitely something that we would be able to work on in the future as well. It might end up being more of a โvocabulary/grammarโ addition, rather than just plain grammar though.
Maybe one of the reasons we decided to do our own writeups is because we were spending so much time replying to peoples feedback that said something like โThe link you have in readings is no longer available, it looks like the site shut downโ
You are exactly right. We cannot control what other people do with their websites, but we can control what we do with ours. Our own writeups themselves may have small changes here and there in the future as we as a team discover more effective ways to teach things. But the bottom line is that we want to facilitate each and every learners language journey, and โsomehowโ find a way to knock down as many roadblocks as possible along the way.
I think we spoke on ็ฆๅณถๅผ a couple months, you may be the only other user of the deck I posted, lol. Iโve been wanting to expand on it if possible, if you have anything in your journey (or additional sources), Iโm all ears.
Wikipedia has some built in entries but the usefulness is a complete scatter and region dependent. Some of these could be completely dormant or unheard of by modern standards but some very useful (need a ็ฆๅณถไบบ to help sort it).
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่จ่ใไฝฟ็จใใใฆใใๅฐๅใฎๅกไพใโปไพๆไธญใฎ๏ผ๏ผไปๅฐๅใฎไพใฏไปฅไธใฎๅ่ๆ็ฎ[1]็ขบ่ชใใใใใฎใงใใใ
- ๏ผ็๏ผ - ็ๅ ๅ จ่ฌใง็จใใใใ่จ่
- ๏ผๆต๏ผ - ๆต้ใๅฐๆนใง็จใใใใ่จ่
- ๏ผๅ๏ผ - ็ๅใง็จใใใใ่จ่ ๏ผ็ฆๅณถๅธใไผ้้กใไผ้ๅธใไบๆฌๆพๅธใๅฎ้้กใๆฌๅฎฎๅธ๏ผ
- ๏ผไธญ๏ผ - ็ไธญใง็จใใใใ่จ่ ๏ผ้กๅฑฑๅธใ็ฐๆๅธใ็ฐๆ้ก๏ผ
- ๏ผๅ๏ผ - ็ๅใง็จใใใใ่จ่ ๏ผ้ ่ณๅทๅธใๅฒฉ็ฌ้กใ็ณๅท้กใ็ฝๆฒณๅธใๆฑ็ฝๅท้กใ่ฅฟ็ฝๆฒณ้ก๏ผ
- ๏ผไผ๏ผ - ไผๆดฅๅฐๆนใง็จใใใใ่จ่
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ใใฃใกใ โ ใใฃใกใธ
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ใใ ใใช๏ผใใใฃใใใฎ๏ผ โ ใใใชใใฎ ๏ผๅใไธญ๏ผ
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ใใฉใใใ โ ๅพๅฆป ๏ผๆตใๅใไธญใไผ๏ผ
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ใใฃใฑใจใฃใฑใใ โๆ ใฆใ
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ใใใพใฃใ โ ๅฐใฃใใใพใใฃใใ
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ใใใปใฉ โ ใใใชใซ
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ใใใซใ โ ใๅ ใกใใ๏ผๅใซ็ฎไธใฎ็ทใฎไบบใๅผใถๆฌ็งฐ๏ผ
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ใใใซใ๏ผใใพ๏ผ โ ๅ
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ใใในใใใใผ โ ็ ๆฐ ๏ผ็๏ผใๅกฉๆข /ๆๆ/ๆ้ ใๆชใ ๏ผๅ๏ผ
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ใใใฝใใใโใขใ๏ผ็๏ผใ็ใๅใใๆฟ ๏ผๅใไธญ๏ผ ้ข่ฅฟๅผใฎใใขใใใจๅใใใฅใขใณในใใใใซใใปใฉไบบใ่ฒถใใใ่ใ่จ่ใงใฏใชใใ
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ใใพใฃใจโใใฃใจใ็จไพ๏ผAใใใใขใใใใ๏ผใ(ใใฎใใใใงใใใงใใ๏ผ)Bใใใใใญใชใใใพใฃใจใใใกใใ(ใ ใใ ใชใใใฃใจใใ ใใ)
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ใโๅฎถใๆใใ๏ผๆใๅฎถ
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ใใฃใกใใฃใฆใใ โ ๆใใใฆใฆใใ ๏ผไธญ๏ผ
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ใใใใ โ ๏ผๆฐดใซ๏ผใคใใใ ๏ผๅ๏ผ
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ใใใใใฆใใใฐใใใดใใใใใ ใฎใโๆฐดใซใคใใฆใใใฐใใใใใใชใใงใใใใใใชใใฎใ
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ใใใใฟใ โ ใฒใฉใ็ฎใซใใฃใ ๏ผๅใไผ๏ผ
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่ฝใขใ โ ้ใใ ๏ผๅใไธญใๅใไผ๏ผ็ฉใ่ฝไธใใ้ใซใไฝฟ็จใ
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ใใ ใคโ่ชฟๅญใซไนใใ
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ใใฐใใงใ โ ใใใฐใใฏ๏ผ็๏ผ
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ใใถใโใใใถใ่่ฒ ใใ่ตคใกใใใ่่ฒ ใๆใซใไฝฟใใใใใใชใฅใใฏใใฉใณใใปใซใชใฉใ่่ฒ ใใจใใซใไฝฟใใใใ
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ใใใ โ ใใณใใใ ใใใใ ๅบไธป โปใ็ถใใใ่จใใใใไพ๏ผใๆฐ่ๅฑใฎใใใใ๏ผๆฐ่ใฎ้้ใฎใใใใ๏ผ
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ใใใคใใใใ โ ใใปใปใฐใใฎๆไธ็ด
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ใใใ โ ่ชๅใฎๅฎถใๅฎถๅบญใๅฎถๆใ ็จไพ:ใใใใใซๅญซ็ใพใฃใกใใใ ใ๏ผใ๏ผๆใๅฎถใงๅญซใ็ใพใใใใ ใใ๏ผ๏ผ
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ใใ๏ผโใงใใ๏ผ
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ใใใฃใฆๆชใใชใ โ ้ใซ็ณใ่จณใชใใ่ฟ็คผใใใใ ใใ้ใซไฝฟใ่จ่ใ็จไพ๏ผใชใใ ในใใใ๏ผใใใฃใฆๆชใ(ใใ)ใชใ๏ผ๏ผใชใใจใใใใจใงใใใ๏ผใๆฐ้ฃใใใใฆใใพใ็ณใ่จณใใใพใใ๏ผ๏ผ
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ใใใ โ ใใถใใใใใใใซใใถใใใ ๏ผๅใปไธญ๏ผ
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ใซใใใใณ โ ็ตๅต่
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ใใคใใโไบบใฎใใใซใใใ่ปขๅซใใใ็จไพ๏ผใพใ ใ๏ผไบบใใใคใใฆใ๏ผ๏ผใพใไปไบบใฎใใใซใใ๏ผ๏ผ
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ใใญใ๏ผ๏ผใใญ๏ผใปใใญใใใ๏ผ๏ผโ ้ฃในใชใ๏ผใป้ฃในใพใใใ๏ผ
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ใใพใใญใ ๏ผใใพใใ๏ผ โ ๆงใใชใใปไธๅใซๅทฎๆฏใใชใ ๏ผๅ๏ผ
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็ฉบใฑใ โ ไฝใใชใ
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ใใใทใ๏ผใใใใใ๏ผ โ ใใใใใ ๏ผ็๏ผ
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๏ฝใใใชใ๏ผโ๏ฝใใใญใ๏ผ
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ใใฃใกใ โ ๅทฆๅฉใใใตใฆในใใผใๅทฎๅฅ็ใซไฝฟ็จใใใไบใฏใชใใ
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ใใ ใใฉ โ ๆฎใใๅนดๆซ๏ผใใใใๅ่้กใงไฝฟใใใ่จ่๏ผ
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็พฉ็ โ ๅ ๅฉ่ฌ็ฅญใงไธปใซ่ฌๅ้ขไฟใฎใใจใ่จใใ๏ผๅ่้ก๏ผ
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ใใใใใ๏ผใใใคใใ๏ผ โ ๆฎดใใๅฉใ็ญ ๅญไพใชใฉใซๆณจๆใฎใใใซไฝฟใใไพ๏ผใใใใใใปใ ใซใใ ใฃใฆใฃใจใใ็ถใกใใใซใใใคใใใใฃใคใ๏ผใ๏ผใใชใใใใใชใซ่ชฟๅญใซไนใฃใฆใใใใใ็ถใใใซๅฉใใใใ๏ผ๏ผ
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ใใใฃใ โ ้ฃในใชใใ ๏ผๅ๏ผ
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ใใใกใ๏ผใใใใ๏ผ โ ใใ ใใ๏ผๆฌฒใใใจใใๆๅณใฎใใฎใจใ้กใใใพใใจใใๆๅณใฎใใฎใๆททๅ๏ผ
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ใใใฆใใใซ๏ผ โ ้ ผใฟไบใใใ้ใซไฝฟ็จใไพ๏ผใใใๅใฃใฆใใใซ๏ผใ๏ผใใๅใฃใฆใใใ๏ผ๏ผ
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ใใผ โ ๅๅใใฒใญใ
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ใใผใผๆชใ โ ๆใๆชใใ
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ใใผใ ใใฐใฃใฑ ใใใผใ ใใใฃใกโ ใฒใธ
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ใใใใ โ ่ นใ็ซใค ๏ผ็๏ผ็จไพ๏ผใใใใใใชใ
- ใใใใใ โ ่ นใ็ซใคใๆใ
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ใใใใ โๆฎดใใๆฎดใใใใชใใ ็จไพ : ใใใใใใใใใใฉ๏ผใ๏ผใๅใๆฎดใใ๏ผ๏ผ
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ใใใใใข๏ผๅณๆฐ้ค ๏ผโๆกใใใถใใปใฐใผใ็จไพ๏ผใ(ๆณใๆฏใไธใใชใใ)ใใใใใขใใใฃใคใ๏ผใ๏ผใฐใผใงๆฎดใใ๏ผ๏ผ
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่ ฐใใใ โ ๅบงใใไผใใ็จไพ : ใ่ ฐใใใใใป่ ฐใใใฃใใใ๏ผๅบงใฃใฆใใใชใใใไผใใงใใใชใใใ๏ผ
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ใใ ใซใปใใใปใฉ โ ใใใชใซใ็จไพ : ใใใ ใซๆฒขๅฑฑใใใญใงใฐใ๏ผใใใชใซๆฒขๅฑฑใใใชใใ๏ผ
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ใใฟใฃใกใ โ ๅ ๅใซ ๏ผ็๏ผ
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ใใใฃใใใใใใใ โ ใฉใใใใใกใใซใๅบใงใใ ใใ๏ผๅ๏ผ
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ใใใใใใฃใใชใ โ ไฝ่ชฟใๅชใใชใใๅ ทๅใๆชใใ็ฒใใๆง โปๆๆๅฟใใใใ๏ผๆใ๏ผใใใฃใใชใใจ่จใใ
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ใใใ โ ใใกใใ๏ผใใใใๅ่้กใงไฝฟใใใ่จ่๏ผ ใใใใค๏ผๅ๏ผไพ๏ผใ่จใใใฉ่ใใญใใฅใฏใใใใ ้ฃใใใใฃใคใ๏ผใ๏ผใฏใฌใใใชๅญใซใฏใใใใคใใใ๏ผ๏ผ
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ใใใ ๏ผใ๏ผ โ ใใฎๆฌก๏ผใฏ๏ผ ใไปๅบฆ๏ผใฏ๏ผ๏ผ็๏ผ
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ใณใณใใโใณใณใใ
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ใใ โ ใใธใใใซ๏ผๆนๅใชใฉใ่กจใๅฉ่ฉ๏ผ๏ผ็๏ผ
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ใใใใใใชใใใฎใใช โ ใใซใใใใฎใใใฎใใฎ
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ใใใใผใญใผ ๏ผใใใใญใ๏ผ โ ๅทฎใๆฏใใชใใๅ้กใชใ ๏ผๅใปไธญ๏ผ็จไพ๏ผAใใชใใ ในใใใใใใปใฉใใใฃใฆๅดใฃใฆๆชใใใฉ๏ผใBใใใใใญใใใๅธฐใฃใฆ้ฃใใใใใใAใใใใใใใใใใใฃใฆใใใใญใใฉใใใชใใ
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ใๆง โ ๅง๏ผใใ ใใจ๏ผๆงใๅซๆงใๅงๆงใๅฎถใงใฎๅฅณๆงใฎ็ซๅ ดใซๅฏพใใๆฌ็งฐใ
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ใใฟใชใ ใใใฟใ โ ๅฏใใญใๅฏใ
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ใใใพ โ ใใใใใ ๏ผ็๏ผ
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ใใใฃใโใใใใ
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ใใใฃใใใคใใคโใใใใใใคใใค
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ใใใใใใ๏ผใใใใใใใใทใฃใผใขใณใกใใทใฃใผใณใก๏ผ ใใใใผใญใผใน โ ไปๆนใชใใงใใใไปๆนใใใพใ ๏ผๅ๏ผ ่ซฆใใๆๅณใใใ
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ใใใฆใฟใฃใ โ ใใใฆใใใ
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ใใใฆใใชใใใ โ ใใใฆใใ ใใ๏ผใใฆใฎไธๅฏง่ช๏ผ
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ใใใฆใใใซใใ๏ผ โ ใใใฆใใใพใใใ๏ผ๏ผใใฆใฎ็ๅ็ณป๏ผ
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ใใใฆใใใ โ ใใใฆใใ ใใ/ใใฆใกใใใ ใใ
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ใใใฆใใใใ โ ใใใฆใใใชใใ ็จไพ:ใใใใใใฃใฆใกใฃใจไผใใงใใใใใ ๏ผๅฎถใซไธใใฃใฆใกใใฃใจไผใใงใใใชใใ๏ผ
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ใใใง๏ผใ๏ผ โ ๅผ ๏ผ็๏ผ
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ใใใใใใ โ ใใใชใใ ๏ผไพ๏ผใใฏใใๅฏใใใใใ๏ผๆฉใๅฏใชใใ๏ผ
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ใใใใใช โ ใใใชใใงใญใ๏ผใใใใชใใใใใชใใใๆใใใใใฅใขใณใน๏ผ๏ผไพ๏ผใใปใ ใใฉใใใใชใ๏ผใใใชใใจใใชใๆนใ่ฏใ๏ผ
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ๆงๆชใ โ ๆ นๆงๆชใ
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ใใใฐใใฃใก โ ใจใผใใใ่ชค้ญๅใใ็ฅใใชใใตใใใใใใใใใฐใฃใใใใใซ่ฟใๆๅณใ
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ใใใใใ โ ่ฒก็ฃใๅฎถ่จใ๏ผใไผๆดฅ็ฃๆขฏๅฑฑใใฎๆญ่ฉใซๅบใฆใใใ๏ผ
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ใใใกใใโๆญปใใงใใพใใ
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ใ โ ใ้ขจๅใใๆนฏใใฎๅคๅๅฝขใ ็จไพ : ใๆฉใใใใธใ๏ผใ๏ผๆฉใใ้ขจๅใซๅ ฅใใชใใ๏ผ๏ผ
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ใใชใ โ ๅคงใใใ
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ใใโ่ฏใใ็จไพ๏ผAใ๏ผใใใข๏ผใใใ๏ผใ๏ผ๏ผใใใง๏ผ่ฏใใ๏ผ๏ผBใใใใใใใใใใ
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ใใช โ ใๅ ใกใใใ่ทกๅใใ้ท็ท ๏ผ็๏ผ
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ใใใใ โ ้จใใใใใใใใ ๏ผๅใไธญใไผ๏ผ
- ่ชๅฐพใไธใใชใใง่ชๅฐพใไธใใฆ็บ้ณใใใ่ชๅฐพใฎใใใๅผทใ็บ้ณใใไธปใซๆ็คบ่ชใจใใฆไฝฟใใใ (ๅ)
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(ใ)ใ ใใ๏ผใใ ใใใ๏ผ โ ใใใ ใใญ๏ผใใใงใใใ๏ผใฎๆๅณใงๆฟใใๅๆใ่กจใๅ ดๅใซๅ่ชใจใใฆไฝฟ็จใๆฅ็ถ่ชใฎใใ ใใโฆใใจใใๆๅณใงใฎไฝฟ็จใฏ็กใใๆฅ็ถ่ฉใจใใฆใไฝฟ็จใใใใใใฉใกใใ็กใขใฏใปใณใใชใใใๅๅพใฎไผ่ฉฑใงๅคๆญใใๅฟ ่ฆใใใใๅฎฎๅ็ใงใไฝฟ็จใใใใ
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ใใฆใ ๏ผใใงใ๏ผโ ็ฌ็ซใชใฉๅ็ฉใ้ฃผใ ๏ผ็๏ผ
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ใ(ใ)ใ ใใใกใใ(ใ)ใ ใใใใใ โ ใใ ใใใฉใ
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ใใ ใกใใ
- 1ไพ ใใใชใใ ใกใโใใใฟใใใ ใ
- 2ไพ ๆๆฅใใใๆฑไบฌใซ่กใใใ ใกใโๆๆฅใใใๆฑไบฌใซ่กใใใ ใฃใฆ
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ใใฃใกใใใใฃใกใ โ ๅใใฆใใใๅใใใ็จไพ๏ผใ้ผปใใฃใกใฃใคใใ๏ผ้ผปๆฐดๅใใฆใใ๏ผใใๅฐไพฟใใฃใกใใใ๏ผๅฐไพฟใใใฆใใ๏ผ
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ใ(ใ)ใ ใฉ โ ใใ ใฃใฆใ
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ใ(ใ)ใ ใชใ โ ใใ ใญ
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ใใใพใใ โ ใใฉใใ ๏ผๆตใๅใไธญใไผ๏ผ
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ใใใฒ โ ใคใใ
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ใใฃใกใ โ ใใใ๏ผๅ่ฉใใใใใใฎ้ๅปๅฝข๏ผ
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ใใกใใญ๏ผใกใใใญ๏ผ โ ใใใใใชใ
- ใใฃใกใใญใใใฃใกใใใญ โ ใใใใใชใใ็จไพ๏ผใใฃใกใใใญใฃใฆ่จใฃใฆใฃใบใงใฐ๏ผใฏใ๏ผ๏ผ๏ผใคใตใฐใฌ๏ผใใใปใฉใ็ณใใใใใซใใใใใๆๅฟใฏใใใพใใ๏ผ๏ผ
- ่กใใฃใกใใญใ่กใใฃใกใใใญ โ ่กใใใใชใใ็จไพ๏ผ่กใใฃใกใใใญใใ ใงใฐใใฏใ๏ผ๏ผ๏ผใคใตใฐใฌ๏ผใใใใใใใใใใพใใ๏ผ
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ใขใฃใก๏ผใใพ๏ผ โ ็บ๏ผใใพ๏ผ
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ใคใใฃใกใ๏ผใฏ๏ผใผใใใฃใกใใญใผ๏ผใงใฏใผ๏ผ โ ็ฒใใใผใใใใใใชใ๏ผใ ใใ๏ผ
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ๅ่ฉใฎๅฝไปคๅฝข๏ผใง๏ผใงใฏใผ๏ผ โ ๅคๅฐๅผท่ชฟใใใใฅใขใณในใ๏ผex:ๅฏใใงใ๏ผใใงใใฎๅพใซใใฏใผใใใคใใฆใใใจใใใใใฆใใๆๅณๅใใซใชใ๏ผex:ๅฏใใงใฏใผใ๏ผใใฎๅ ดๅใฎใใฏใผใใฏใใใใใฎๆๅณใจๅๆง
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ใใใฃใใใฉใใใชใใใใใใฃใฆใฉใใใชใใ โ ใใใใใใพใงใใใใใกใใใใ็ใชๅฏพ่ฉฑใฎใใฅใขใณในใง็จใใ
- ใชใ โ ใใใ ใชใ๏ผใใใ ใญ๏ผ ๏ผไผ๏ผ
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ใงใใใ โ ้ๆใใ้ฆฌ้นฟ่ ใใ ใใใชใไบบใๅฑใ้ใซไฝฟใใ
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ๆใใใ โ ๆ้ใณใไธปใซๅญไพใซๅฏพใ่ฉฑใ่ใใใซ็ ้ใณใใ็ดใฎๅใ็ซฏใใใใใใพใใใฆใใ้ใซๆณจๆใใใใใซไฝฟ็จใใใ
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ใชใใชใ โ ๅใใฆใใ๏ผๅฝขๅฎน่ฉ๏ผ
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ใชใใ โ ๆจใฆใ ็จไพ๏ผใใดใๆใใฆใ๏ผใดใๆจใฆใฆใกใใใ ใ๏ผ
- ใถใๆใใ โ ๆฃใใใใ็ไปใใชใใงๆพ็ฝฎใใไบใ ็จไพ : ใๆใถใๆใใจใใช๏ผใ๏ผๆใ็ไปใใชใใ๏ผ๏ผ
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ใชใใผ โ ใใใใใฉใใใใ๏ผๅนด้ฝขใ่บซ้ทใไฝ้ใ่ท้ขใๅคๆฎตใชใฉๆฐๅญใง่กจใใใฎๅ จ่ฌใซไฝฟใใใ๏ผไพ๏ผใใใใ ใใฉใใฎๅญไพใใชใใผใซใชใฃใใใ ใ๏ผ๏ผใใชใใฎๅญไพใฏไฝๆญณใซใชใฃใใฎใงใใ๏ผ๏ผ
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ใชใใฆใใชใผใใฆ โ ใชใใงใใชใใใฉใใใฆ๏ผๆตใๅใไธญ๏ผ ็จไพ : ใใชใใฆใปใ ใใฉใชใฃใ๏ผใ๏ผใชใใงใใใชไบใซใชใฃใใฎ๏ผใ
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ใชใใใใ ใใชใใใใใใชใใใใใ๏ผ โ ใฉใใใ๏ผใไฝใใใฃใ๏ผ๏ผ็๏ผไธปใซๅฟ้ ใใ้ใซไฝฟ็จใใใใ
- ใชใใใใใใใชใใใใใใชใใใใใ๏ผโใฉใใใ๏ผ ็จไพ : ใไปๆฅใชใใใใฆ้ใถ๏ผใ๏ผไปๆฅใฏไฝใใใฆ้ใผใใ๏ผ๏ผ
- ใชใใใใใใฆโใฉใใซใใใฆ
- ใชใใใใชใใใ๏ผ(ใใใฎ้จๅใไผธใฐใๆใใง็บ้ณใใ)โ ใฉใ
- ใชใใใใฆใใชใใใใใ๏ผใใชใใใใใฆ๏ผ โ ใฉใใใ๏ผใฉใใใฃใฆ๏ผ
- ใชใใใช โ ใฉใใช ๏ผๅใไธญใๅใไผ๏ผ
- ใชใใใใ ใ โ ใฉใใ ใ ๏ผๆตใๅใๅใไผ๏ผ
- ใชใใใฃใใ โ ใฉใใ ใใญ ๏ผๆตใๅใไธญ๏ผ
- ใชใใใใฃใบ๏ผ โ ใฉใใใใใใใใ ๏ผๅใไธญใๅ๏ผ
- ใชใใใผใ โ ใชใใจใ ๏ผไผ๏ผ
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ใใใใ โ ใใใฆใกใใใ ใใใใใกใใจๅใๆๅณใ
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ใซใใใใซใ โ ใๅใใใชใ ๏ผไธญใๅใไผ๏ผใใไธปใใซ่ฟใใ
- ใซใ โ ใๅใๆฑ๏ผๆต๏ผ
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ใซใฃใฑใโใใฃใคใใใใฏใใคใใใ
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ใญใผใใ โ ใใชใใ ๏ผ็๏ผ็จไพ : ใๅท่ตๅบซใซใชใใใญใผใใใ๏ผๅท่ตๅบซใซ้ฃในใ็ฉใฏไฝใใชใใใ
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ใญใฃใฑใ๏ผใญใฐใใใญใฃใฑใ๏ผ โ ใญใฐใใ๏ผ็ดใชใฉใ่ฒผใใ่ฒผใไปใใใใใฃใคใใใใใใใใใใใใใใใใใป้ฃใใใคใ็ญใฎๅ ดๅใซใไฝฟ็จใใใใ๏ผ ๏ผ็๏ผ
๏ผไพ๏ผใใใ็ณใงใญใฃใฑใใจใใฆ๏ผ ใ๏ผใใใ็ณใง่ฒผใไปใใฆใใ ใใ๏ผใใใฌใ ใญใฐใฃใฆใใใผใ๏ผใฌใ ใใคใใฆใใพใใ๏ผ
๏ผไพ๏ผ๏ผ็ซถๆ่ ใชใฉใซ๏ผใใใฃใจๅใใญใฃใฑใฃใฆใ๏ผใฃใใฎ๏ผ ใ๏ผใใฃใจใๅใซ้ฃใใใคใใฆ่กใ๏ผใใใฐใ๏ผ๏ผ
- ใฏใใผ โ ใใใใใ ๏ผใใ ใชใใใใใฃใจใ็ญใฎใใฅใขใณใน๏ผใใ ใฏใใผใในใใใฏใใผใใใใฏใโฆ๏ผ็๏ผ
- ใฐใฃใก๏ผใ๏ผ โ ๆซใฃๅญใๆซๅญ ๏ผ็๏ผ
- ใฏใ ใใ โ ใใจใใ
- ใฏใชใใ โ ใใณใ ๏ผๆตใๅใไธญใๅ๏ผ
- ใฏใญใ โ ่ตฐใ
- ใฏใญใใ๏ผใน๏ผใใฏใญใฃใใ๏ผใน๏ผ โ ๅพ็ซถ่ตฐใ็ซถ่ตฐ ๏ผ็๏ผ
- ใฐใฃใฑ๏ผใใพ๏ผ โ ๅฉ๏ผใใพ๏ผ ๏ผๆตใๅใไธญ๏ผ
- ใฏใพใ โ ่ฝใกใ ๏ผ็๏ผไพ๏ผๅทใซใฏใพใฃใใ
- ่ นใใฃใก๏ผใใฃใคใ๏ผ โ ใ่ นใใใฃใฑใใๆบ่ นใ
- ใดใใโในใใใใงใใใใไพ๏ผใใใใซๅคงใใชๅทใใใฃใดใใใโใใใใซๅคงใใชๅทใใใใงใใใใ
- ใถใค โ ๆใคใๆใคใ ็จไพ : ใ้ ญ๏ผใใ ใพ๏ผใถใฃใใใ๏ผ้ ญใใถใคใใ๏ผ
- ใถใฃใคใใ โ ็ ดใ
- ้จ่ฝ โ ้่ฝใๅทฎๅฅ็ใซไฝฟ็จใใใไบใฏใชใใ็ธๆใซไฝฟ็จใใฆใๅคฑ็คผใซใฏๅคใใชใใ
- ในใ๏ผในใใในใใ๏ผ โ ็ ๏ผ็๏ผ
- ในใใฃใ โ ็ใฎๅญ ๏ผ็๏ผ
- ในใฃใบ๏ผในใฃใกใใใปใบใใกใใ๏ผ โ ๅฅณๆงๅจ
- ใธใงใชใ โ ใคใพใใชใใใจใใใ ๏ผ็๏ผ
- ใปใ ใใใกใใ โ ใใใ ใใใฉใ
- ใปใใใใใปใใโ ่ฝใจใใฆๅคฑใใใใใปใใถใใใปใใฃใ๏ผ่ฝใจใใใ่ฝใกใ๏ผใใจใใ๏ผ็๏ผ็จ
- ใพใฆใใใพใงใ๏ผใพใงใใใพใง๏ผ โ ๏ผไปไบใ๏ผใฆใใญใ ๏ผ็๏ผ็จไพ๏ผใใพใงใซใใฃใใฉใญใ๏ผ็ๅฃใซใใใชใใฆใใใใ ใ๏ผ
- ใพใงใใผ ๏ผๆตใๅใไธญใๅ๏ผ
- ใพใ โ ่ตคใกใใใไบบ่ฆ็ฅใใใใใจใ๏ผไพ๏ผใใฏใผใใพใใใใฎใ๏ผใ๏ผใใใใไบบ่ฆ็ฅใใใพใใ๏ผใใฎๆใ๏ผ
- ใพใใใใใพใใใใ โ ๆใ่ก็บใงไฝฟ็จใใใจใใจใฏใ่ฌๆญณๆฅฝๅฑฑใใงๅฐ้ใ่ตทใใฃใ้ใซใๅฑฑไปไบใใใฆใใๆไบบใใ่ฌๆญณๆฅฝ๏ผใพใใใใใ๏ผๆงใๅฉใใฆใใ ใใใใจใใๆๅณใงๅๅใซๆใใ ไบใใใ
- ใใใใโๅคขไธญใซใชใๅจใใ็ฎใซๅ ฅใใฌๆงๅญใ
- ใใใใโๆผใใใๆผใใใ่ใใใใผใใใๆปดใใ็จไพ๏ผใใใฃใใใใใฃใกใพใผใงใฐ๏ผ๏ผใๅฐๆฐดใ๏ผๆๆ ขใงใใ๏ผๆผใใฆใใพใใใใงใ๏ผ๏ผ
- ใใใใใใใใใใใใใใใใใใใใใโ ใใใใใใใใใใใ
- ใใใใใ๏ผใใใใใใ ใญใใผ๏ผ โ ่ตคใกใใใๅฐใใๅญไพใซใใใใใๅญใญใใจใใๆใใงไฝฟ็จใ็ฌใ็ซใซใไฝฟ็จใ
- ใใฉโ ็ฉดใใ้ผปใใฉ๏ผ้ผปใฎ็ฉด๏ผใใใฑใใใฉ๏ผใๅฐปใฎ็ฉดใป่้๏ผใใชใฉใซไฝฟใใใ่ฝใจใ็ฉดใๆบใซใฏไฝฟใใใชใใ
- ใใฃใจใใ โ ๅฝ็ถใ ใๅฝใใๅใ ใ๏ผใไผๆดฅ็ฃๆขฏๅฑฑใใฎๆญ่ฉใซใๅบใฆใใใ๏ผ
- ๏ผ้ๅทพใๅฐๆญใ็ญใ๏ผๆใฟๅบใ โ ๆฑใใๆใใงๆดใฃใฆใใใใซใใใ็จไพ๏ผใ้ๅทพๆใฟๅบใใฆ๏ผใ๏ผ้ๅทพใฎๆฑใใๆใใงๆดใฃใฆ่ฝใจใใฆ๏ผ๏ผ
- ใใใโใใใใใใใๅฏๅๆณใไธปใซๅญไพ็ธๆใซไฝฟใใใใใใใชใใ๏ผๅฏๅๆณใ ใชใ๏ผใใใใใใใใ๏ผใใใใ๏ผใใจไฝฟใใ
- ใในใใใฐใฃใ๏ผใใฐใ๏ผ โ ใใใใใใใใ
- ใใฐใฃใกใ ๏ผใใฐใใฃใกใ๏ผโ ๆๅพ ใใใ ๏ผ็๏ผ
- ใใใใพ โ ้ท ๏ผ็๏ผ
- ใใใใพ ๏ผๆต๏ผ
- ใใใชใใใงใญใ โ ใใใช่ ใใใชใ
- ใ โ ใใพใใๆฑ ๏ผๆช๏ผ๏ผๆตใๅใๅ๏ผ
- ใใใใใใญใใ โ ๅฎถใ่ชๅใใกใ่ชๅฎ
- ใใใโๆใๅฎถใ่ชๅฎ
- ใใ โ ็งใฎๅฎถ๏ผ่ชๅฎ ๏ผ
- ใใ ใใปใ โ ใใใ ใใใใงใใญ ใปใงใญ๏ผๅฆๅฎ๏ผใใใงใฏใชใ
- ใใ ใใฉ โ ใใใ ใใฉ
- ใใ ใฉใใใ ใชใ โ ใใใชใใ ใฃใฆใใใใใชใใ ใฃใฆใชใใไผ่ฉฑๅฃ่ชฟ
- ใใ ในใใ โ ๏ผๅฝ็ถ๏ผใใใใใชใใงใใใ๏ผๅฝ็ถ๏ผใใใงใใใ
Oh hey, I remember that! I think it was on the WaniKani forums I got really busy transitioning into new schools and moving (completed my JET contract and went with a locally run private company) and totally forgot!
Iโve actually discussed some aspects of it with my old co-worker (62 year old guy who grew up on a farm here, has been an Elementary teacher most of his life and an English teacher for a total of like 15 years), and man I swear it gets so specific out here in the mountains. I live in ๅไผๆดฅ้ก and heโll say things like โAh, yea, youโll hear that over in โโๆ but not in โโ็บโ or โThat gets used a lot more in the western half of ๅไผๆดฅ้ก than the east, but itโs technically used on both sidesโ.
All of this without even getting into ่จใ (ใ ใใโใ ใใ๏ผใor versions of verbs that get used over others more commonly ๏ผ่จใโ่จใ or ้ฃในใโ้ฃใ๏ผ.
Iโll see if I canโt start taking a crack at the Wikipedia using some of the locals, and maybe even make a shareable/editable Google Sheet or something to use as a cross-reference for the deck/wikipedia that I can access on the go when all I have is my phone. Work is still pretty busy (bigger schools, more responsibility), but now that Iโm getting used to it maybe I can start putting time into this.
Last thing, only took a quick glance at the wiki you pasted, and immediately looked for ใใใคใใใ, was happily surprised itโs there! To my knowledge, thatโs an ไผๆดฅ phrase and is certainly still used (potentially not by the current school-age generation, though. I 'd have to ask a few students).
I havenโt been using BunPro much lately (wanna finish WK first so I can concentrate on one at a time), but Iโve been really impressed by how many improvements you folks have been making this year, and so rapidly too! Really great job, everyone!
Very cool update. Iโm curious, is there any timeline for when you guys are adding N4 and N3? I know itโs not wise to say any exact dates, but Iโd like to know so I can link up Bunpro with my studies.
That is pretty much exactly what I hear from my wife, it gets mega-confusing . I parsed the wiki so I can add to a google doc (along with the LINE stamps from the original Kitsun deck if you want). Or I may just add the entire thing into the dialect deck once I get some native feedback. No pressure, but any collaboration or feedback you get would be great to break the ็ฆๅณถๅผ code
There is no โsetโ timeline, as each new N-level will present new challenges as we are writing the explanations. However, at a guess, N4 should take around (or a little bit over) a month, to allow for quality checking, wrapping within the writeups, etc,.
N3 will take a little bit longer due to there being more grammar points, but not heaps longer. Potentially 2 months maximum. Please take this information with a grain of salt though, as we have not even started writing N3 yet, so I could be failing to take into consideration challenges that may pop up as the team gets stuck into N3.
As noted in the original post though, we will do our best to have them out asap, without sacrificing any of the quality ๐๐ผโโ๏ธโบ๏ธ
Went through a few and the grammar explanations are fantastic. Some of the most comprehensive Iโve seen without getting too absurdly deep. (It can be real easy to fall into a grammar rabbit hole)
To me, this not only solidifies Bunpro as a study tool, but a reference tool as well. Thanks for the great update and look forward to the other levels.
Iโm super happy with the progress. Watching Bunpro grow has been awesome. I also snuck in a few years back.
Putting more effort in here as I have finally gotten through WK, and enjoying it a lot.
@Asher I still agree with you on the foundationally meaningful morae.
edit - wow, just got my 3 years badge. Yikes. I need to speed up here.
Thanks for letting me know. I understand quality control and editing could potentially be a little unpredictable. A couple of months is faster than I thought actually. Good luck with the work!
Iโm not even that far into making my way through the N5 grammar again and to my surprise I already learned something new! (using ใจใฆใ to identify ใช-adjectives)! I just wanted to give serious props because the grammar points are always surprisingly clear and the โcautionโ and โfun factโ boxes are some truly amazing additions Iโm already really hyped for whenever Bun-grow and Bun-flow will be added (Guess, Iโll be needing to reset a few more times
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I was also super surprised when I first learned that! Have found it in a few different grammar books since then directed at Japanese kids. Surprisingly simple trick that really does help identify when something is or isnโt an ใช-adj.
Perhaps the particle ใธ should be taught before ใธใใ?
Also the grammar topic for ใฏ has a note saying it is pronounced ใ, but ใธ could probably have a note about being pronounced as ใ when it is used as a particle.