My learning plan! (please critique)

Hey yall

I just started learning Japanese about a month ago. I initially started with Pimsleur’s app, but I realized that’s a very rigid way to learn, and I would prefer to understand the entirety of the language rather than just be able to listen and speak some set phrases.

I have been doing WaniKani for the past 3 weeks, and started Bunpro about a week ago, and I want to confirm my plan with some more experienced learners.

I’m almost done with level 3 of WaniKani, and I have it set to give me 20 lessons a day.

I also have the Bunpro N5 grammar deck, with a goal of 3 per day, (adding some extra practice if I come across a point I’m already familiar with), and the N5 Vocab deck with a goal of 10 per day.

I also have been watching some Cure Dolly videos, currently on lesson 7 of the Japanese from Scratch series.

I’m trying to decide if this is a good plan that I should stick with, or if I should also get Genki 1 and 2 to integrate into bunpro, and cut out Cure Dolly.

I am adverse to Anki, its just not my favorite method, and I like Bunpro’s algorithm/format better.

TLDR:

WaniKani: 15 lessons per day
Bunpro Grammar: 3 new points per day
Bunpro Vocab: 10 new points per day
Cure Dolly, Japanese from Scratch: 2 videos per week < do I replace this with Genki and make use of the Genki decks in Bunpro???

I appreciate your help!

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I tried out primsluer about a year ago. It is actually pretty good, especially if you follow it and repeat afterwards. A lot of people enjoy bashing on rosetta stone or primsluer due to their more phrasal structure, however I found rosetta stone to be the app that got me to actually begin speaking. it gives confidence when you talk to it and it understands. (not that it is perfect, obviously) but saying it’s bad because it is rigid is not a good mindset.

Wanikani is good for the very basics, but depending on your speed, you will outgrow it very quickly. I’d say buy a 3 month plan. if you find yourself needing much more kanji than it provides, cancel and move onto a different kanji learning site. there are many out there that are fter and cheaper. A major issue particularly with Wanikani is it will teach you rather useless kanji that you won’t see for a very,very long time in any kind of writing outside of a single word. 了, I’m looking at you.

3 a day 1 month in on n5, do be careful. There are many of us that say N5 is the hardest part. they’re all crucial and misuse of any can cause a lot of confusion. I’m sure we all have stories of mixing は and が and making a fool of ourselves. Maybe slow down to 1/day until you get to about 50, which is when the super important ones tend to slow down, assuming you follow the bunpro path. otherwise…

follow the book’s instruction and use bunpro for additional review, and only follow what chapter you are on until the end of the chapter. In this case I’d say frontload all the grammar for that chapter into 1 or 2 days, then really cram it for a while.

Vocabulary, yeah it’s hard for me to say because I’m sorely lacking in the vocabulary department myself. Some people say read (my preferred method) and some say study a list. One idea is to buy a manga, type all the words from a page or a panel, then study those words. maybe like 1 page of manga a day in vocabulary. I’m not sure. I just thought of that myself. that would build a working vocabulary, but you may end up sounding like a manga villain or something.

Overall, your ideas seem fine, but please practice output as well, even early on. it really cements your language even if you’re talking to a mirror like a Sims character.

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After the first year, I hit a wall where 6 years later, I couldn’t feel anyprogress beyond what I learned that first year. I call it the intermediate wall.
I was stuck on the begineer side of the wall until

1 audio reviews. This was the Genki textbook CD, and now Jalup.
2 kanji
3 Moving to Japan, reading manga, watching anime, playing video games in Japanese. I started with はじめておつかい

You might have other things that keep you in the begineer kiddy pool. For instance, since you came from pimsler, listening probably isn’t going to be your limiting factor.

Think about what you want to do in Japanese. And why you haven’t done it yet. Turns out ‘getting fluent’ is more like ‘getting to space’ than ‘getting to Japan’. How you go 100 miles up like a space shuttle is different than going 230,000 miles to the moon.

Totally agree with

Tofugu (the company that owns wanikani) has tones of reviews
(tofugu.com)](Japanese Learning Resources Database)
I tried Quizlet, Genki, Memrise, Lingo Deer, Kanshudo, Wanikani, Bunpro, Kanji Damage, Jalup, JPDB before deciding Jalup is the one for me.

Bunpro Vocab/ Grammar: I personally want to learn vocab ahead of grammar so I can understand all the words in the example sentences. The Genki deck includes both vocab and grammar in the same deck.
Genki/Cure Dolly: I recomend both. the resources tab in bunpro lists the Genki page. If you don’t undersand something try both

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I’ve never tried pimsleur, personally, but I’m assuming OP means that it was too rigid for them. Everyone has resources that work and ones that don’t.

Wanikani absolutely teaches you some weiiiiiird vocabulary as you progress (knowing 悪因悪果 is fascinating but not exactly what I would call an everyday bit of knowledge, lol) but that’s because the point is to teach you the kanji themselves, with examples of how they’re used to help cement them. Once you learn the kanji, it’s that much easier to apply them later down the line in other vocabulary, or to spot them in the wild and make connections between their meanings and contexts.

But that does mean that it can go in a weird order (although to be fair you can also see how many JLPT/Joyo/Frequency-order kanji each level has on wkstats) and again, not every resource works for everyone.

Personally, I think the more important thing is to figure out if wanikani’s system (and bunpro, and CureDolly, etc) are working for you, OP. It’ll take some trial and error, but you have to figure out what resources are most effective for you.

For me, wanikani and bunpro are a godsend because they both work really well for my learning style and I share your aversion to Anki. So my learning habits consist of wk for kanji, bunpro for grammar and vocabulary, and reading/listening immersion with manga, youtube, movies, etc. (Output is mostly trying to talk with coworkers, students, etc.)

Once you know what resources work best for you, though – whether that’s your current set or something new you try out – I’d say the next most important part is finding a pace that you’re satisfied with and that you can maintain in the long term.

I do agree with @Rukifellth that 3 grammar every day might be a bit much. It depends on you, of course, but remember that everything you learn is going to keep coming back as reviews, and you might need a little more time to process some of the trickier points. I know a lot of folks give themselves an upper threshold of sorts: i.e. only learning new grammar if their beginner category is below 10, that kind of thing. Just pay attention to how much you’re doing each day, and see if that feels like a pace you can really keep up for the long haul.

For vocabulary, I’m a mix of bunpro’s vocabulary decks (I like to mix my vocabulary and grammar reviews, so that I’m thinking more about what it’s actually asking me for) and reading. The type of reading you do absolutely will impact the sort of vocabulary you pick up, but I prioritize my interest in the material over the efficiency of it as a study list because practice is practice even if I’m learning “corpse” and “strangulation” instead of like, “hallway” or “bush”.

TLDR: Sounds like you have a good list of resources, but A) don’t be afraid to try things out and find the options that work best for you and B) make sure you set a pace that won’t get overwhelming as you continue.

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I guess the biggest thing is just be willing to adapt. Try different things.
Consider reading imabi or something too. The thing I’ve found that helps me is to just consume a lot of grammar, and then go try and read or listen to stuff. Reinforce through usage.

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