New to Bunpro - Reviews

Hi there,

maybe a silly question, but I’m struggling with my reviews at the moment…
I’m kinda at a loss with some ‘reviews’ as there’s no indication of what they want me to do?

For example, a review I just had:


In this example, all they really give me is する, and they want the casual form, right? That would be perfectly fine. But the correct answer was してみる.

Have I messed up my UI somehow? Or am I missing something completely?

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Trying clicking on the ‘Hint’ in the bottom left hand corner. It will cycle through varying levels of information to help you answer the question.

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If you go to your account and then settings. You’ll find a section called Reviews

If you scroll down you’ll see a setting labeled review hints. You can set the level of hint that you want. As jrmr said, you can click on the hint button during reviews to cycle between the levels of hints you want. You can also use space bar on pc as a hot key for this. The review hints setting allows you to set which level of hint will be shown as the default. As a beginner I would recommend using either show or hint for grammar hints. The grammar hint order will allow you to set if the hint only shows the nuance of the grammar point or the full translation first. Personally I prefer nuance first and then I can press space bar if I want the translation after I try to translate it myself.

I’ve attached two screenshots here. The first one is how it will look with your review hints settings set to hint and the order set to nuance first. The second is showing how it looks if you select translation first.

Hope this helps.

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This is an infelicity though. There should be enough information in the question to correctly answer it. Otherwise the hints are part of the question, and not hints at all.

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I’ve shown these reviews to my Japanese ESL students without the hints and in most cases they are able to answer the question with no further information than what is on the screen. In the same way that I could give you a sentence in English that read

Could you tell me ________ your morning routine.

I think most people who are proficient in English would be able to answer that question with one or two tries. If you are unable to intuit the answer then a hint could be necessary.

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I also remember being really confused when first starting bunpro. I wonder how many people aren’t willing to ask on the forums and simply wander away from the site. I think it would be prudent to incorporate some more hand-holding for new users.

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I would definitely turn on hints to start. Your example is a perfect example of how a question can be impossible to decipher without the hint. After punching the space bar (hint level) hundreds and hundreds of times I realized it was easier to just turn the stupid hints on and teach myself to not read them before reading the Japanese! (Actually harder than you would think if you are a beginner…but the exercise of doing it is way more productive than exercising my thumb on the space bar, LOL!)

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I am a native English speaker. If the grammar point is to determine whether I know how to use adverbs, then there’s lots of grammatically correct answers.

If your point was that there is a single obvious answer to this prompt, then I have no idea what it might be. I would need what you would call a hint, and what I would call the rest of the question.

Me as well. When the first quizzes/reviews came I didn’t know what were the things inside the parenthesis, or the yellow colored text. In a few odd reviews, what they where even asking was not clear at all.

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I’m curious which adverbs you would want to insert into that blank.

I think at this point you’re just arguing semantics. Regardless of whether it is called a hint or the rest of the question the fact remains that it is available to whomever needs it. I do agree BP could make the review settings a little more beginner friendly. They’ve mentioned wanting to do a set of tutorial videos in this thread

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Clearly, cogently, accurately, slowly, precisely…

Of course it’s semantics. anyone can use words to mean whatever they want, but we should expect not to be understood if we don’t use accepted meanings.

A hint is generally considered to be additional, optionally available information to help answer the question. At least that’s how I understand it. And indeed, most of bunpro hints behave this way.

But not all, which it the original point.

I was thinking more like “What’s” or “About”. I guess there are several ways to answer this. Hints are definitely needed, IMO. You’d have to make the question SUPER obvious in order to be able to have just one possible answer.

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Adverbs can generally appear in 4 locations within a sentence. When modifying the entire sentence they will appear either in the very beginning or at the very end of the sentence.

The other two cases are when they modify a verb or adjective directly. In those cases they will either appear directly preceding or following the verb in question. They often follow auxiliary verbs and modal verbs. For most other verbs they will usually come immediately before the verb they are modifying. For that reason while most people who are proficient in English would understand the intended meaning of the sentence, “ could you tell me clearly your morning routine.” they would also feel that there is something off about the sentence.

I agree that some of the items are much harder to intuit in one try before you look at the hint, in those cases you might have a point that what BP labels a hint more closely resembles the actual question than a hint. As you mentioned though, the vast majority of the hints fulfill the definition of a hint as provided by you.

You think?

Time adverbs usually come before the verb, manner adverbs after.

I am English, and very old. Perhaps one of these, or both, explains it.

You would be correct. The intended answer is about, something you were able to intuit within 2 tries. I agree. Hints are useful in trying to answer the question correctly in one go, but you would have a rough idea what the answer could be even without them. This becomes even more true when the possible answers are of a known set of words or phrases. If you had unlimited tries to guess which answer was correct you could go through all of the applicable words in the known set and eventually hit the correct one. Although, if you don’t want to waste that time then an optional hint will get you there a lot quicker.

That’s why I have hints enabled. It would be like playing ‘mind reader’ most times, especially once you learn several ways of saying the same thing, and that just gets old very quickly. As the famous saying goes, “Ain’t nobody got time for dat”. lol

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Hi there and welcome to the forums!

By default, it should show you a hint along with the grammar.

Like this:

You might have accidentally changed that setting.

@drunkgome mentioned you can change it on the Settings page, but it’s actually a little bit clearer to change it directly in Quiz.
You can do so by clicking the cog in the top left:

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Anyway, hope that helps!

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