Really? I'm supposed to be able to figure this out!

Mine are often around 50-60% and it’s on one hand very frustrating, because I kinda understand the underlying grammar point and most of the time get the base form, but then conjugating it is a nightmare most of the time. I get that you had trouble with anki, but I would attribute that to the fact that you probably had one card per grammar point? Instead of having one card for one grammar point, I would have many cards per grammar point and just associate them with that grammar point, including level-based unlocks for more complicated forms of this grammar point.

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You are repeating SOMETHING over and over again. It just happens that the context surrounding your something can change as is the case with language in the real world. Pretty much everything after your “Bunpro’s core problem:” I disagree with at a fundamental level.

I think this is the nature of learning GRAMMAR instead of VOCAB. It’s a subject that requires much more adaptability, and brute-forcing it without actually learning the underlying conjugation/structure/patterns would make it close to useless to you. Sometimes you’ll get tripped up on a 善かれ悪しかれ but overall, the system works for a lot of people (myself included with average session rates of ~90%). It takes some getting used to, but the fundamental system is still SRS even if you’re required to properly contextualize the points.

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I have been at this for a while and I am unfortunately not getting used to it, as are others. And there is a misunderstanding here, i did not mean that the context about a grammar point cannot change but the use case of the grammar point usecase should be the same per review item.

No great example comes to mind but lets say we use miru → polite form mimasu. In every review of this item mimasu should be the correct answer no matter in what context it is used. For another review item, you could add complications in like the passive form or past form, in addition to the polite form, but each would be their own item. What we have right now is a mess of one review item for all forms and conjugation ****ery for everything.

Of course if you then like to have this appear in different contexts/sentences that could be fine, to remove a bit of the pattern recognition of seeing the same sentence but the underlying answer should be pretty much the same.

God how much easier that would be on my brain. You unlock everything step by step gradually and still get all you complex uses, like the one mentioned in this thread, but them becoming single items does not degrade your progress on the actual other usecases of the grammar point. Technically you could track your real progress on a grammar point by dividing a grammar point into these items and seeing what aspects you have mastered and what are lagging behind…

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But the uses and situations are not always the same, it is the very problem of grammar and why simpler SRS or rote memorization completely failed to give me any understanding of grammar. I have a 600 cards or so Anki deck finished a long time ago where I never fell under 90% accuracy but I did not really learn anything reviewing it, since grammar is applied patterns. I think the best way to practice it is applying the patterns to new situations and to combine them in increasingly weird/rare/complex cases. Otherwise – unless you are practicing or drilling them – you might only learn set phrases.
I’m still at a 60-70% success rate nowadays (just finished N3 grammar) but I accept the slog since it is building actual understanding that I can bring outside the reviews and in real world reading or listening in a way simpler reviews did not.
But I agree that there are a few times where having the second review be some 〜たがっています abomination did not exactly help me either :sweat_smile:

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For me, I think すぎる was the hardest grammar point in the N5 deck. I struggled to remember it, and when I did, I struggled to form it properly. Just keep at it, and you’ll get it. Getting questions like this wrong is part of walking the path.

More generally, one of the things I like a lot about Bunpro is that the questions the SRS throws at you are all over the place. I think they’re trying to exercise your understanding of the grammar point, knowing that you’re likely to get at least some of them wrong at first, but that it will click and teach a more general usage. Questions like this emphasize that all of these grammar points connect together to form an expression (verb + negative + すぎる + past tense). I didn’t know any of that when I started learning, but it’s become my favorite thing about Japanese.

A fair amount of answers in bunpro will require you to combine the targeted grammar point with previous lessons! It can be definitely be difficult and challenging!

Before searching for the answer, I would encourage you to re-read the grammar point when you get it wrong and try to figure out for yourself how it applies to the answer. You will internalize the lessons more quickly that way.

I’m nowhere close to being an expert, but I’ve only ever seen or heard なすぎる, never なくすぎる
It seems like a reasonable assertion that the latter is grammatically correct, but I would avoid using it. Kind of strange to me that your google search treated it as the primary form.

I also agree with others that this isn’t as advanced as the google result makes it out to be. You will quickly get more exposure to and familiarity with combining verbs like that.

がんばって!

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my advice: make a deck for yourself called “problem children” or what have you, and put all the really annoying/hard to remember points/conjugations in it. Once in a while, just look through it and reinforce your memory. しかったがない

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先ず, i want to thank all of your for encouragement and recommendations! It’s nice to see that many of you had your difficulties with this type of issue and then overcame it by whatever means you came with!

Both @Thobro and @Nigrikasle60 came up with a nice demonstration of how to solve this problem in a clear step-by-step solution! :slight_smile:

But here’s the rub, in a lot of cases, you have to apply these steps in a certain order or the final solution will be wrong! So I can see what you did. That is an invaluable technique that i can apply in the future. But learning the correct sequence to apply these transformation is something that I can see will take a lot of practice and intuition.

Thanks again to all! :slight_smile:

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There will always be confusing stuff in Japanese, even when you get to N2 and N1! And please note I said WHEN (not if) because you WILL get there, even if you never learn the 寝なすぐた grammar point. :sweat_smile:

One way to help with the seemingly impossible grammar points that have very little real world application is to simply remove them from review. I did this several times by marking grammar points as already mastered. There might be a better way to remove them, but at any rate, you can always add them back in later.

Hope that helps!

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It is true that some things just have a fixed order you’ve got to know. E.g. させられる and not られさせる or べきではない and not ないべき. What helps cement these most is hearing and seeing them over and over again, BUT overall Japanese is a very logical language and understanding the underlying structure usually will get you to the finish line. Keep at it!

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