Resetting N-Levels

Hi all!

Just popping in to do a bit of an impromptu poll here :bar_chart:. How many of you in the intermediate or higher levels have ever reset your grammar points/vocab in swaths just because you want to study them again or get more exposure to them.

I for example have have done a complete reset twice or three times, and N2/N1 at least once.

I (we at Bunpro) ask this question mainly to get a bit of extra data about why users do or donā€™t reset, and for those that do reset, how we can make that ā€˜second time aroundā€™ experience more enjoyable.

Have at it in the poll and post your thoughts in the comments! :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

  • I have reset several times.
  • I have reset once.
  • I have considered resetting, but something stopped me.
  • I have never reset, because it seems pointless.
  • I have never reset, because I never even considered it.

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I like how the ā€œnever restā€ options are basically ā€œI donā€™t think a lotā€ and ā€œother people do it but itā€™s dumbā€. :slight_smile: I did actually think about it, but didnā€™t want to call something people do ā€œpointlessā€ just because I didnā€™t want to do it myself, so I chose the ā€œnever consideredā€ optionā€¦

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Sooo, ā€˜I have considered resetting, but something stopped meā€™ ?
This option is for those that have their own reasons for not resetting :blush:

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Iā€™ve considered it before, but that was back at n5 and half of n4 levels. I had stopped bunpro in favor of Anki vocab super charge (which was needed and worked fine until I eventually got burnt out on Anki/bored). Came crawling back to my 300 and some bunpro grammars. Debated resetting but slogged through them a lil at a time instead. Crammed them a couple times for review/troubled points and hacked away at them.

60% through n2, and I if I ever took a multiple month break again i would probably reset that level. With n5 and n4 I feel you could get away with just cram support if needed. But with n2 thereā€™s plenty I know Iā€™m not solid enough on to jump back in after a long break. Itā€™s still common grammar sure, but Iā€™d come across it less than the lower levels. So for me the reset would be because of my lack of exposure/reinforcement of the higher levels in the wild, and Iā€™d want the maximum bunpro exposure reset route for them

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Iā€™ve considered it but having the cram functionality basically makes it moot, for me at least. Plus, it takes so long to master everything and I donā€™t think it would always be necessary to go through the whole SRS process unless one takes a very long break and practically forgets everything.

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Thatā€™s a good point. The whole srs process from beginner to master might seem to take too long if you reset for a refresher. What if there was an option to ā€œspeed runā€ the srs levels after reset? Like in a ā€œI still want to reset and review these, but I donā€™t need to see them as oftenā€ kind of thing. Or maybe a partial reset option? Like reset all current points in this deck to half their srs value

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Indeed! It would be more of a ā€œ(hard) refreshā€ than a ā€œresetā€.

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Perhaps a ā€œrerunā€ option for the speed run - basically, you get the same 12 grammar problems for a given piece of grammar, but going from beginner to master takes half or maybe even a quarter of the time it normally does. Maybe you could even set it?

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Just like remorting in MUDā€™s. Perhaps this reference gives away my age :sweat_smile:.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/remort

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Given that remort is probably not well understood now, you could always call it something like Revival Mode. :thinking: Grammar points back from the dead, ready and willing to hurt you way more than ghosts do.

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I have used Bunpro for a couple of months earlier in 2023, but I stopped using Bunpro, because I was busy with other things in life. I came back to Bunpro again in December, so I wiped my N4 and N3 progress, because I wanted to make sure I donā€™t have any holes in my knowledge. It only took me 2 weeks to go through all of N4 again anyways.

It would be nice if there was an option to wipe grammar points based on some % threshold of accuracy, for example reset points that have less than 80% accuracy.

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Clicker games have a similar thing, I think it was called ā€œascensionā€

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Iā€™ve actually reset both my levels and grammar points itā€™s actually quite fun seeing your level rising up again.
Level 100 to lvl 91 as of now.
Iā€™m expecting a badge as a fellow two times lvl 100 :rofl:

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Iā€™m not even halfway through N3, but Iā€™m thinking about resetting grammar at least once a year when Iā€™m finally done with all the grammar points, although I donā€™t know if this plan wonā€™t change till then.

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I joined Bunpro back in 2019 when it still didnā€™t have a ton of content yet. Life happened, and I ended up not using the site again until 2022. During that time, the grammar explanations had been updated, and more example sentences had been added. It made sense for me at the time to reset my progress so that I could benefit from the more in-depth explanations and example sentences.

Likewise, Iā€™m currently working my way through some of the vocab decks. Iā€™ve sporadically added a bunch of words from N1, N2, and the A/E decks, but I am planning on resetting these decks once the example sentence translations and Cloze options are released.

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Iā€™m considering once I reached N3 or N2. To keep revise it again.

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I like this like a prestige system.

I could imagine something where it is N5 grammar but N1 vocab and contexts. Youā€™re welcome for even more work.

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As Iā€™ve suggested on these forums before, I think revisiting ā€œbasicā€ topics but from the perspective of someone who is already an intermediate or an advanced learner would be extremely interesting. As proven by the frequent discussions in this forum and all over the Internet, things like the usage and nature of particles, different types of words, slang, etc etc can cause a lot of confusion and/or is a worthy subject of considered discussion due to varying perspectives. Iā€™d love to read some articles or lessons on the nature of various ā€œbasicā€ topics (which may be better considered as fundamental and therefore actually extremely deep) aimed at intermediate or advanced learners. Imabi attempts something kind of like that but it is extremely dry and riddled with typos so it is relatively low down on my list of English references for Japanese grammar.

Howeverā€¦ I canā€™t imagine many people would use or read those kind of articles or lessons so Iā€™m not sure it would be the best allocation of the Bunpro teamā€™s time, financially speaking. I do think some kind of blog or YouTube channel that discusses these things (assuming it has a high level of production quality) could do wonders for Bunpro marketing. Equally, a basic N5 video series would probably gain a lot of clicks and it is pretty easy to put a call to action at the end of each video pointing viewers to the site. Tofugu manages to push people towards Wanikani fairly well, it seems, so even a blog would presumably have some effect. Bunpro doesnā€™t have to copy Tofugu but both Tofugu/Wanikani and recently Marumori seems to gather a lot of attention from people who are yet to even learn kana I think purely because of the pretty pictures. Again, something worth thinking about.

Anyway, that got really off topicā€¦

On the topic itself, I reset once around the end of N3. It was the right decision for me probably although I would strongly suggest people donā€™t reset if possible and just add things more slowly. I think some learning meta where students are encouraged to read ahead, even by a whole N-level, but only add things they have learnt a while ago would keep the SRS manageable and keep a good feeling of progress (assuming theyā€™re using the language in some way). The problem is basically every beginner believes theyā€™re the exception and will ignore that kind of advice, or so it seems online.

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Apologies for keeping this off topic, but Iā€™d love to see this happen. BunPro can distinguish themselves from other YouTube channels by focusing on the different nuances between similar grammar points. Most channels address grammar points separately. Also, as you said, it would bring more people to the website.

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Iā€™ve been here a year and have covered N5 through N3 grammar. I have reset three times. Iā€™m used to never-ending reviews from anki and donā€™t find having hundreds in a given day too problematic. That said, if I can get away with not resetting again Iā€™ll gladly take that route.

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