てくれない・てもらえない - Grammar Discussion

won’t you?
will you?
could you?
can you?
would you?

Structure
Verb[ ] + くれない (か)
Verb[ ] + もらえない (か)

Could you not
Verb[ないで] + くれない (か) ?
Verb[ないで] + もらえない (か) ?

:warning: These expressions are used with a rising intonation

[Arranged from least polite to the most polite: てくれ(rude male speech)→て→くれる→もらえる→くれない(か)→もらえない(か)]
[differences are negligible between the last four]

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So, there is no difference which one to use between the two? Purely from grammar point of view.

Verb[ ] + くれない (か)
Verb[ ] + もらえない (か)

(politeness levels aside in this case)

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This is covered in Genki II (in second edition at the very least) on Page 102 alongside てくれませんか and ていただけませんか? Could you add that reference to the reading list please?

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@Kuromaku
Hey and sorry for extremely long answer time :blush:

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Yes, you are right :partying_face::+1:

@DonChanHype

Hey :heart_eyes: It has been a long time since your last post :slight_smile:

It has been added to the readings section.
Cheers :+1:

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Awesome! Should it also be in the Genki 2 grammar path now?

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@DonChanHype Added! Cheers.

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The site is marking answers omitting the か as incorrect, which seems odd for short form with an explicit question mark.

Maybe I am missing some fundamental understanding of the て form and how it interacts with ないbut can somebody explain why this sentence 夜遅くに電話しないでくれない? cannot be 夜遅くに電話しなくてくれない?

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We love you too :heart:

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@mrnoone beat me to it! :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:
Well, that’s a much more complete explanation, so I’ll just offer a couple more sample sentences for comparison.

These are polite commands:
電話してください。-- Please make a call.
電話しないでください。-- Please don’t make a call.

These are conjugations:
電話して出かけます。-- I’ll make a call and [then] I’ll go out.
電話しなくて出かけます。-- I won’t make a call and [then] I’ll go out.

And relevant links:
Verb -[て] | Japanese Grammar SRS
てください | Japanese Grammar SRS
ないでください | Japanese Grammar SRS
Verb[て] + B | Japanese Grammar SRS
なくて | Japanese Grammar SRS

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Thanks so much, love this community :hearts:

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I’m wondering if someone can explain to me why this grammar point works.
Because it’s based off of てくれる てくれない・てもらえない | Japanese Grammar SRS ,right?
Which just kind of means to receive unless I’m mistaken.
And ない just means pretty much no, once again unless I’m mistaken.
So how does “Receive” + “no” = won’t you?

Is there a reason why those two things together makes that?
Am I just dumb for not seeing it?
What is it?

Also, the rising intonation part…that just means you raise your pitch at the end right?

In a casual request can you not use とく? Specifically, I’m doing reviews atm and it won’t accept 炊いといてくれない? Am I misspelling something :open_mouth: or is it too rude to use even in a casual setting?!