English translation:
while, during, before
Structure:
Verb[ ている ] + うちに
い - Adjective + うちに
な - Adjective + な・ うちに
Noun + の・ うちに
Hey 
It has been fixed 
うちに
while
before
during
It looks like for this grammar point, none of the examples use the definition ‘before’ which is a bit confusing.
Perhaps the nuance section could give a note that うちに can only mean before when it is following the negative form of a verb as in ないうちに?
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So what’s the difference between this and 最中に?
Also, why would the latter be incorrect?
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It might not be wrong per se, 最中 is more precise since it lit. means “very middle” and expresses doing something in the middle of something. うち is more general, meaning “while”.
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I recently encountered the before meaning. Thankfully the reading section for うちに still includes information for the before meaning. Maybe in the future it should be added back or split into a new grammar point?
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The “before” meaning comes from a negative form before うち, essentially “while… is not…”. There is a grammar point for ないうちに here.
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I must have missed that. Thanks.
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What is the difference between the two sentences? Is the 間に describing that during the whole process of driving the speaker got more and more tired, and the うちに saying that the speaker wasn’t tired, but then suddenly they were tired at some point? (Or maybe that it happened during a short period of time during the driving process, as opposed to the whole period of time?)
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On of the reviews for this grammar point does not seem to match the answer that is accepted as seen below.
This is the only accepted answer and is not mentioned in the うちに grammar point.
Edit: Seems like the issue have been resolved as the review is now attached to the correct grammar point.
It’s giving me the orange funny face when I enter うちの, but also showing as an alternative correct answer after entering just うち. Not a fan of mixed signals. Is うちの acceptable in this case or not?
I’m using the grammar book “New Kanzen Master N3” at a Tokyo language school and it has some different nuance and I’m not seeing it matched anywhere. Not sure how much it matters but I figured I’d add it.
In the book, has two meanings for うちに
~うちに…
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Do: …(verb) before state/situation changes. The Phrase ~ expresses a state or situation, and … expresses an intentional action.
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While: ~ (continuous process or action) is happening, … (a change) also happens. Refers to a change that happens without to volition of the speaker during a certain period.
for 1, it seems the time isn’t just the best, but a possible limit. Like “While in Japan” implies that time is limited (before that state changes)
for 2, The second action is a change and one out of the persons control: 赤ちゃんは食べているうちに寝てしまった。
The baby fell asleep while eating.
with the action of falling asleep being out of the persons control…
This is the ChatGPT It would be nice if someone can confirm if this is right.
- 運転している間に眠くなったので、コンビニで休憩をした。
- Translation: “While (I) was driving, I became sleepy, so I took a break at the convenience store.”
- Usage of 間に (aida ni): This sentence uses “間に” to emphasize the temporal relationship between the action of driving and the feeling of becoming sleepy. It suggests that the sleepiness occurred during the ongoing action of driving.
- 運転しているうちに眠くなったので、コンビニで休憩をした。
- Translation: “While (I) was in the process of driving, I became sleepy, so I took a break at the convenience store.”
- Usage of うちに (uchi ni): This sentence uses “うちに” to emphasize the completion of the action (運転している) before the sleepiness sets in. It implies a sense of urgency or the desire to take a break before the sleepiness becomes more intense.
I keep re-reading the explanations and going over examples here and in the 間に grammar point and I still cannot discern the difference between the two. Google has failed me as well, and ChatGPT doesn’t even seem to know since it fairly consistently explains them each using what are essentially synonymous descriptions in English as well.
Seems like over the year ChatGPT got a little better in this particular example:
1. 運転している間に眠くなったので、コンビニで休憩をした。
→ I got sleepy at some point while I was driving, so I took a break at a convenience store.
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“間に” emphasizes the time span of driving. -
It means: “During that period of driving, this (getting sleepy) happened.”
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Neutral, factual, and time-based. - Implication: sleepiness was one event within the longer action of driving.
2. 運転しているうちに眠くなったので、コンビニで休憩をした。
→ I gradually got sleepy as I was driving, so I took a break at a convenience store.
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“うちに” implies a change or development over time during the action.
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It feels like: “While driving, I eventually/gradually became sleepy.”
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Nuance: the driving led to the sleepiness, as a kind of natural progression.
Key Difference
| Phrase | Focus | Nuance |
|---|---|---|
| 間に | Time span | Sleepiness occurred during that time |
| うちに | Time progression or shift | Sleepiness developed over the course of it |
Think of うちに as implying a transition or unexpected shift.
Visual Metaphor
| Driving is like… | What happens |
|---|---|
| A container of time (間に) | One thing popped up in that container (you got sleepy) |
| A road with change (うちに) | You slowly changed while on that road (you became sleepy) |
Which to use?
- If you want to factually report that something occurred during a time: → 間に
- If you want to emphasize that one state gradually led to another: → うちに
Is this LLM explanation based on anything though? Can it cite an authoritative source, like a textbook equivalent, or a post aimed at Japanese language professionals (TV/book editors and such)?
I don’t know if I’ve seen the ideas that “うちに implies a change or development over time”, or “emphasize that one state gradually led to another: → うちに” before.
I’d consider うちに・間に essentially synonymous in this example. And if one is really searching for a nuance, that’d be that with うちに driving is a situation especially conductive of sleepiness. So if one would stop driving, that would also automatically prevent sleepiness.