をはじめ をはじめとして - Grammar Discussion

English translation:
not only…but also…
starting with

Structure:
Noun + をはじめ(として)
Noun1 + をはじめとする + Noun2

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Would like to eventually see a broader set of sentences/translations. Almost all of Bunpro’s say “starting with” but this can mean things like “not to mention”, and y’all also have “not only but also” listed but never used.

I found this example sentence with the “not only but also” meaning:
先生をはじめ、生徒たちにも教えてあげてください。
Could be they snuck it in afterwards. :thinking:

Related to this, are there any cues showing which meaning をはじめ is giving to the sentence? Devoid of context, is there any way to tell? For example, the example sentence
パソコンをはじめ、その他の機器も導入するつもりだ。
feels like it could go either way, “starting with” or “not only but also”.
Or this sentence:
社長をはじめ、社員も皆同じ目標を持ってがんばっています。

I was also hoping to get a breakdown of this sentence:
漫才をはじめとする日本のいろいろな「お笑い」に興味を持ち始めた。
I think what’s tripping me is that this is the only place をはじめとする is present. What’s the とする doing there? Is it just so you can avoid a comma if just using をはじめ? On that note, is a comma always required if just using をはじめ?

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