たら-といったら - Grammar Discussion

Grammar Points
#1

cannot tell/describe/say/express/find words for how
words cannot express
too … for words
extremely

:warning: と言ったらありはない is a written
rarely used variant

Structure

More common:

  • Noun + ったら/といったら + ありゃしない/ありはしない
  • いAdj/(いAdj + さ) + ったら/といったら + ありゃしない/ありはしない

Less common:

  • Verb + ったら/といったら + ありゃしない/ありはしない
  • なAdj + ったら/といったら + ありゃしない/ありはしない

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#4

The about section of this grammar point is really confusing and I think wrong. It says it’s comparing ったらない and といったらない, but it’s actually comparingったらない (a previous grammar point) and ったらありゃしない (the current grammar point) right?

Also, a breakdown of the components of ありゃしない would be helpful.

#5

Agreed. There’s almost zero information here compared to other grammar entries. Also how is this different from “ったらない”?

#6

Not sure if this is a bug or if the explanation is being re-written, but there currently is no information about this point at all right now:

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@Asher tagging for visibility in case it’s a bug. Thanks!

#7

Here is a good explanation to use until Bunpro updates this point: https://hanabira.org/japanese/grammarpoint/～といったらありゃしない%20(〜to%20ittara%20arya%20shinai)

#8

@Asher @Fuga sorry for bothering you guys, but would it be possible to get an update on when/if this grammar point will get an explanation? Thanks!

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#9

This is a duplicate of another grammar point and will be removed at some point. ったらない・といったらない (JLPT N1) | Bunpro

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#10

Ahh that makes a lot of sense. I was looking at the other point earlier and wasn’t sure if they were different. Thanks so much for confirming, I appreciate it!

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