ように・ような - Grammar Discussion

Grammar Points
#21

This lesson’s structure rules and examples are a bit misleading, it’s easy for a beginner to mis-chunk the clauses and end up using the wrong particle.

  • Verb + ように + Verb/Adjective
  • Verb + ような + Noun

彼の車は工場のような臭いがする。 - Adverbial Clause (which should use に)
彼の車は工場のような臭いがする - Noun (which should use な)

バケツをひっくり返したように雨が降っている。** - Adverbial Clause (which should use に)
バケツをひっくり返したように雨が降っている。 - Noun (which should use な)

I think the lesson structure needs to differentiate the following:
Adverbial Usage: X is similar to (ように) Action A.
Adjectival Usage: X is similar to (ような ) Thing A.

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#22

Ohhhhh!!!
Thank you so much, I was so confused! I couldn’t understand why sometimes before a noun に was used, and the opposite!
Perhaps your explication should be added to the grammar point! (Or maybe it’s not japanese related, but grammar-in-general deficiency that I have, anyway thank you again!)

#23

I have to say this whole grammar point is utterly confusing and should be redesigned imo.

The usage pattern above is not found in a single example on the page, where ように is always paired with の just as in previous grammar points regarding ようだ.

Whereas the usage pattern suggest it should come modifying a verb.

Also as @NathanBell_Au explained very eloquently, it is also confusing at first when exactly な or に is used here.

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#24

I’m also not a 100% on this, if the grammar point is meant to be verb + ように/な + verb/noun, why are so many of the example sentences noun + の + ように/な + verb/noun such as 彼は亀のように走る? I’d appreciate it if the grammar page made it clear why this grammar point is split into two pages as such.

#25

Why are these sentences using ように instead of ような?

バケツをひっくり返したように雨が降っている

あなたが言ったように、事故が起こった。

#26

ような is for nouns, ように for verbs. Yes it comes before a noun, but it’s taking about the action.

“The accident happened like you said”
“Is raining like a bucket was tipped”

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#27

I’m a little confused why it is ように in 君()が言()うように綺麗()ですね。

The rules listed on the page made me think that 綺麗 would make it ような.