And just adding to this, I’d also love to see a separate entry for 〜ていただく, not just いただけませんか. And まいる, maybe have a sentence with いく/くる and ask us to make it humble.
It should probably be ~てもらう though, with answers accepting ~ていただく as well
(Or, the grammar point could be called ~てもらう・~ていただく to make it easier to find with the search function)
Also, this grammar combined with the causative form is interesting. You’ll see signs and such saying 臨時休業させていただきます (りんじきゅうぎょう) to mean “we will be temporarily closed.” I have a hard time parsing it literally, though… like “you will allow us to humbly close temporarily” or something? I just understand ~させていただく as “I/we have humbly decided to~”
I think a separate grammar point would be better. At least that’s how I like to learn things: split things out as much as possible. I know ~てもらう like the back of my hand, so I want a high SRS interval for that, but I don’t come across ~ていただくas much at the moment, so I want a low SRS interval for that. Combining them into a single grammar point causes more problems than it solves as far as I am concerned.
I thought of another grammar point to suggest!
I’ve actually known this one for quite a while, I wonder if it might even belong in N3 somewhere?
But it’s 勝手に (かってに).
It has a few very different uses (or at least, it glosses to some very different English phrases), which is why I think it warrants a grammar point of its own here:
Adverb
- arbitrarily; of its own accord; voluntarily; wilfully; willfully; as one pleases
For example, it’s used to say that something “just happened” (spontaneously), like “the music just started playing again!,” or “those books just fell over all of a sudden!” It can also be used for voluntary actions though, which get perceived as “doing (something) on a whim; whenever one pleases.” This also leads us to another phrase that jisho.org pulled up:
勝手にしろ!:
have it your way!; to hell with you!
It’s mentioned in one of the readings of だす and even has an example sentence so I think だしたら止まらない should have its own grammar point or even just a little blurb about that common phrase on the grammar point explaination or under the example sentence itself.
Is どうしようかと a grammar point worth adding ? When I saw it in the mix it threw me but broken down it’s pretty simple and useful. However I can’t find any resource that has it as a grammar point.
I just came across (and misunderstood) a use of 上 that isn’t on 文プロ yet! We have a grammar point for 上 when it follows a た-form verb, but it can also be used immediately after a noninflected (連体形) verb to mean “in the process of [verb], …”
[Verb]上で
Reference here in the first 3 example sentences on the page.
I hear て言う風に and some variations of it quite often. Is there a grammar point for this?
Ahh I used 言う so it didn’t show up in the search.
I know it’s probably N5 but a grammar point for the uses of 先 would be nice.
And here is another portion of grammar that is currently missing in Bunpro
- 気もする
- むず
- やや~
- すら
- あわよくば
- なりに
- なにやら (you have どうやら, but no なにやら yet)
- どうにか
- ことで (example: 彼の入院は急なことで、みんな驚いた。)
I have also updated the first message in the topic to keep all of the grammar in one place.
I hope this list can be useful to Bunpro team
See first message for compiled list. @mrnoone @Pushindawood
Just realized there’s not point for よう+か like:
歩こうか? - shall we walk?
手伝おうか? - shall I help?
We got ましょうか but not the informal form of it. Maybe it can just be added to the notes?
Another one I just found while reading a webcomic is “Verb+まくる” meaning “to verb a lot”. Seems similar to Verb+すぎる.
I too am all for adding new grammar to Bunpro. One thing I don’t want to see though is N levels getting too bulked out. If it isn’t in a textbook, I think there should be a dedicated N++ for each N level. This could show people grammar points that are around that N levels difficulty, but not part of any learning path by default. That way people could choose to add the N++ grammar points to their learning path if they want to.
I really like this idea; there’s probably a, for all intents and purposes, near-infinite list of grammar you could add. Having “bonus” N-levels of grammar would smooth it out nicely, I think. Still important stuff, but doesn’t contribute to bloat/clutter in the “main” paths, so those folks working on a dedicated path or who just don’t want to/can’t spend the time to learn everything aren’t forced into it.
I completely agree, there could be “N0” level Or call it “reality” like in WK
However, there are many grammar points that are technically not part of JLPT but they are so incredibly common that putting off learning them is just silly. Example of that would be a lot of grammar points that I myself have included in the first message of this topic. Many of the things on that list I encounter daily while reading manga, and you can imagine if that stuff is in manga it’s definitely not super complex literary grammar only seen in genji monogatari first edition
So, maybe there could be an alternate path that follows frequency and usefullness, rather than JLPT order. Then I’d switch to that patch myself, rather than continuing using JLPT as the main path (as long as it includes ALL grammar points that exist on the site).
こともある might also be a good inclusion.
Edit: Never mind it’s in https://bunpro.jp/grammar_points/222
Could use another example sentence or two though.
Ah, I like N0. Gives an idea of being “beyond” N1, but still feels approachable if you market it right. Then perhaps Bunpro would start being the one people reference in terms of non-JLPT grammar.
(This is so much work when N1’s not even done. I’m so sorry, Bunpro team. ^_^;)
Came across なんて doesn’t seem to have a listing
http://maggiesensei.com/2013/09/02/how-to-use-なんてnante/