Update: 2/17 - Decks & Vocab Beta

Bunpro
#74

  • Should Vocab Reviews also be manual input?

    • Yes please!

  • Should there be a third option that keeps the SRS at it’s current level? Something like a “I kind of know this” button.

    • Yes (Unless you decide to do manual input, in which case I guess you wouldn’t need this)

  • Would you like to be able to bookmark decks? How about an option to set a Deck as your “Path”?

    • This seems like a nice quality of life thing, but isn’t important to me personally.

  • Would it be helpful to be able to set the batch size for each deck individually?

    • This seems like a nice quality of life thing, but isn’t important to me personally.

  • Would you like to see a notes indicator on content within each deck that you have a note for, similarly to how you can see your SRS progress on certain words?

    • Not 100% sure what this means

  • Would you like to be able to add notes to vocab? How about a separate place to make your own mnemonics for each vocab or grammar point?

    • Sounds useful, but probably isn’t something I would use personally

  • Would you like to see a Bunpro N5 mixed deck where we show you vocab then grammar in such a way that the vocab you learn first will then show up in the examples for the grammar you just learned?

    • I’m past the N5 stage now, but this sounds like something I would have found useful.

In other thoughts, I agree with previous posters that being able to chose Grammar, Vocab or Both for reviews would be really useful. I found doing my reviews a bit jarring today switching between SRS vocab and manual input grammar. Having them separated in the Summary screen after reviewing both together would also be an improvement for me.

It would also be nice to include a context sentences in reviews. I find it quite hard to remember single words in isolation, and also find that when I do manage to memorize a word in isolation, I then often have difficulty recognising it in context!

But overall, this is a great feature, and I’m excited to see where it goes in the future. Thank you for all your hard work!

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#75

@Jake Mems were basically a text and/or picture field, with fun reminders or sayings that would help you learn a word, the sillier/more ridiculous the better! It was a bit like the wacky phrases WK provide for learning vocab, except because it was a community effort and everyone could contribute a mem it was often much easier to find one that personally stuck with you, if you couldn’t/didn’t want to think up your own.
Instead/additionally, you could use the mem to add extra info, e.g. a list of related words using a similar stem, or even the translation in another language, anything that helps you make those connections. (I did the latter a lot because I’m also learning Cantonese, and some onyomi are very similar to the Canto pronunciation.)
The mem would then be shown every time you get the answer wrong, to remind you of your “hook” and reinforce the mental pathway. Hope that helps!

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#76

Kanjis seem not to align in the “Study new batch” tab:

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11304×809 78.5 KB

3
31105×650 81.6 KB

2
21503×893 114 KB

I’m using Firefox 96.0.1 if that matters.

I also experienced that some vocab reviews had to be reviewed more than once.

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#77

Bug in the reviews I don’t know where else I can get help. Could you look into this issue, please? I think this bug might be related to this new feature.

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#78

Sent you a DM!

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#79

Cute little something I had today:
I studied the last few grammar points of N5 (that were added after I finished N5 initially) using the decks feature, so I would not have to downgrade and then upgrade.
Once I did it told me to upgrade the JLPT Study Level in the Settings, despite me being on JLPT Level 4.
Again that is cute, does not hurt anybody or anything, but I thought I’d let you know nonetheless.

Edit: You can even click on the study new batch button for completed decks. Sending you to the same screen again
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#80

Not sure if anybody’s already mentioned this, but, perhaps rather than selecting that the vocab is either, ‘unknown’, or, ‘known’, to us, we could instead type in one English translation example? Similar to that of WaniKani?

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#81

It’s been discussed, and I guess it’s on the bucket list, but any more feedback requesting it or suggesting new methods on how to do reviews is always welcome as it tells the devs how much demand is for that feature.

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#82

I’ve been using the vocab deck for a couple days. It’s useful, but I’ve got a few bits of feedback!

  • Should Vocab Reviews also be manual input?

Yes, please - this would feel a lot better to me.

I also noticed a bug, like someone else mentioned, that I was asked to review the same word twice in a single review session. I didn’t get a Bunpro exception like the other user, but I did have to answer the same word twice.

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#83

This is a fantastic addition and has been my #1 request since the start of Bunpro (which apparently has been 4 years since I just got that Four Year Anniversary badge! :laughing: )

For your questions about future features, they are all “nice to have” but I don’t really think they are high priority for now. To me, only two of them should be prioritized. I answer a resounding YES to both of these:

For the last one, I was thinking something like an “Add the vocabulary in these example sentences to your deck” link would be awesome. I am currently going through and doing it manually, so this would save some time.

Thanks again for adding vocabulary. I can’t wait to see what you do with it!

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#84

It would be cool for vocab reviews to reveal Furigana after answering. That way, one can not only see if they got the meaning right but also the reading. I find myself clicking on the vocab almost every time when there aren’t Furigana anyways.

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#85

About the Vocab cards. I already study vocab through other tools.

The thing is that I like when you ask vocabulary in context and with a purpose. Nobody else makes me do that.

Like when you ask for beautiful in “beautiful girl” and I have to write kawaii otoko no ko. I miss that in WaniKani. In wanikani I learn “kawai” but I never have the chance to practice putting that word in context, and I never have to remember to add the last i for the i adjective. So that is something that adds to the experience of learning and practicing vocabulary.

But I don’t like the vocab cards as they are now in Bunpro beta.
I would love vocab/grammar cards if
You tell me to write:"____本 (cheap)" or “____本 (old)” and I have to practice vocabs: expensive, cheap, new, old, my, your, etc. in the context of describing that book.

And if you use my wanikani api key to ask me vocab/kanjis that I have already learnt from them … that would be a dream come true XD hahaha!

When you use the vocab in context, you need the grammar for it. You need the vocab and the conjugation, or a preposition or a suffix … you name it. That’s something that I expect to see in Bunpro one day in the future. I don’t expect bunpro to be an anki, wanikani, memrise substitute for vocab, … I expect bunpro to teach me vocab the way only bunpro can do … in sententes, with context and with grammar rules that apply to the vocab.

Said that, the vocab card sample sentences and explanations are awesome.
Actually I think grammar cards and vocab cards aren’t a different thing. When asking for grammar about i-adjectives you ask me to write “kawaii” … so just adding a “vocab tab” next to the “grammar tab” would give me the i-adjectives grammar and the kawai explanation and sample sentences. I didn’t think it too much but It doesn’t seem a bad idea to me.

Sorry for the long post, as was just trying to provide feedback, not criticism at all. In fact I love bunpro just as it is on the vainilla version, so thank you for improving an already wonderful learning app. :slight_smile:

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#86

Sorry, I must have missed these questions.

Yes. 100%.

Meh I probably wouldn’t use it but ity might be helpful for others.

I’ve never used bookmarks because it’s pretty easy to search as it is, but any new feature is bound to get used by some people out there.

I’m not sure why you’re doing it in batches anyway. I added all my grammar individually over the years.

Yes please

Yes all that seems very positive.

Sounds good!

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#87

hello, just wanna report a bug for this vocab deck reviews.

for some vocab, after i click “know” button, it reappears within the same session. After i finish the session, it reappears again exactly after in new session.

Also i’ve encountered a strange bug few days ago, after i finished one of my grammar review session, around 4-5 items turn into ghost, whereas i definitely sure got all of them correct before.

Hope this report reach you :slight_smile:

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Feedback - Bug Reports
#88

@Jake I want to confirm the bug that @stillwill and @kush already reported.
Sometimes same vocab items show up multiple times in one review session. The reason is the “review/XXX/edit” endpoint sometimes returns 404 Not Found only for vocab items. So I have to mark the item known multiple times until it eventually returns 200 OK.
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#89

Thanks for the feedback and the bug report.

@stillwill @HotAirGun

I was able to patch it. It will be out with the decks update tomorrow. Turns out it is a bug with the combo of ghost reviews/user reviews and vocab.

Sorry for the trouble :bowing_man:

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#90

thanks for the respon.

In addition, it would be good to add option such as “i know this” directly in the vocab deck list or at least in the lesson session. Instead of clicking every word, which will open new tab, then click “add to review”, then click “i know this”.

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#91

I have so many ideas, this is awesome!!

I want to do “related grammar” decks! But like not just related in meaning, also related in text. So like だけ、だけど、だけで、だけれど、etc.

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#92

I like how Bunpro is expanding to include grammar items as well. The one thing I’d like to suggest is the ability to keep grammar and vocab separate so that the reviews don’t mix together. It’d be nice to study/review individual decks by themselves to keep things more focused and not become too overwhelming.

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#93

Just to let you know I’m still having the same problem with items duplicating themselves multiple times.

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