Bunpro Grammar Explanations, N3!

N3 vocab/context sentences are done, we are just editing a few minor features before implementation. I will have a chat to the development guys and see what we are waiting on specifically, then give a better answer.

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i see… been waiting for a long time for N3 vocab.
Hope the vocab implementation could be accelerated, at least N2 before end of 2022. :disappointed_relieved:

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Based on what we (currently) have planned, N2 vocab should be released by the end of 2022 without any issues. The only thing that would change this is some kind of severe issue that forced the content team to refocus their attention 100% elsewhere.

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I want to say that I have been very very pleased with the dramatically increased quality of the write-ups, which I have especially noticed because I reset a short while back, so that I’ve been going back through all of N5 and now N4.

The hard work really shows!! Thank you all for putting in this kind of effort to improve the BunPro experience.

I have learned a lot of new nuances, and I find the various grammar points much easier to remember than the first time through – while this may largely be due to having learned them once before, I have also noticed that different grammar points I once had difficulty distinguishing one-from-the-other have now become much more conceptually clear thanks to the detailed write-ups!

As a result learning grammar has become much less of a struggle of trial-and-error guessing wrong and then learning via mountains of ghost reviews, and more of a streamlined learning experience.

[Also, I’m taking a much more slow-and-steady-wins-the-race pace than I first tried before I reset, which is also a factor in having an overall much more enjoyable and less-stressful learning experience. But the new write-ups have definitely had their own additional impact as well, so I wanted to give you guys some feedback about it.]

[[P.S. @Asher, what does ‘山っ気(やまっけ)’ mean next to your user name? Jisho.org says it means ‘speculative spirit’, but that’s all it says. :thinking: I’m just curious as to what meaning it has for you as a tag for your user name? :grinning:]]

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Really glad to hear you’re liking the writeups! As for 山っ気, it just means someone that likes adventure and speculation :rofl:. Basically, just thinking about things a bit differently.

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Cool! I will have to remember that, then, since it resonates very much with myself. :smiley:

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About to start N3 but noticed the N3 grammar points still follow the old order, not the new one. I’m not sure it’s the same situation as N4 where it didn’t get updated but you thought it did, or if it’s just still something you’re working on (since you did say it might take a bit for the site to reflect the new order). But I figured I’d say something just in case, since I know you guys make sentences with the order in mind

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Hi @meagstudies, thanks for messaging us! These will be updated in the very near future, as we are in the middle of a content polish at the moment (fixing typos, styling inconsistencies etc). You can expect them to be in the new order by the end of this month at the latest. :blush:

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Ok, good to know!

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Bumping this thread to light a fire under your butts to do the N3 reorder already.

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If possible I’ll get it done tomorrow! There may still be a few sentences that use points before they should due to the old order, but I’ll get the order sorted at a bare minimum! :bowing_man::bowing_man::bowing_man:

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The rearrangement is all ready to go, we are just waiting til after the JLPT to implement the change. So it will most likely be live on Monday :partying_face:

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The grammar order has now been rearranged, and the two duplicate grammar points will be removed at some stage this week. Sorry this took so long everybody! :bowing_man:

We will aim to also get the sentences rewritten in a timely manner, so that there is (as infrequent as possible) use of grammar points that do not obey the new order, and use structures that may not have been taught yet. We appreciate everyone’s patience, as well as the reminders to get this done!

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really considerate of you to think about the customers like this

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To be completely honest, I hadn’t even considered that it may negatively impact people’s study. @Jake is the hero who reminded me that we shouldn’t shuffle anything major a day before the exam. So deep-bow to Jake!

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Did you remove the duplicate grammar points? I think there are still two と言っても points.

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I unfortunately cannot do this myself. @Jake will update you when it is done :bowing_man:.

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For N4, I noticed that the example/SRS sentences often had other N4 grammar in them that were in future lessons - e.g., N4 lesson 7 sentences often have grammar points from N4 lessons 8-10. I assume that this is because the sentences were done before the re-order.

I’m wondering if the same is true for N3. It’s not the end of the world, but it is annoying to have explanations and flashcards using grammar points that haven’t yet been covered by the standard order.

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Hi @quufer , thanks for the message!

If you are doing the Bunpro grammar path, things like this shouldn’t happen, and it is our fault. We are actually currently going through N3 to make sure there are no sentences like this after the reorder, but it is possible there a still a few remaining in N4. I’ll look into it and get them fixed!

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I personally don’t think it’s that bad to have one or two example sentences which contain future grammar points, as long as they don’t alter directly the input. It motivates me even more to learn more and sometimes add a grammar point which isn’t in turn but seems interesting.

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