Cram 2.0 [Beta]

I have been thinking about this, could a different key be used or at least be optioned in to this function. As it is, its on the opposite Side of the keyboard as the answer buttons which is frustrating from an accessibility point of view. The ‘R’ or ‘E’ key are in much more natural positions for one handed review.

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I may have missed a setting or something but just incase:

  • Auto reveal info (Grammar definition dropdown) doesn’t seem to work in cram
  • Adding Auto reveal English Sentence for the reading cram reviews would be great
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Godlike update. I used to use cram to just revise absolutely everything but it did feel half-assed and barebones. Now its got an impressive feature set. Best thing is that listening mode. Like many, my weakness is listening. Things often just get mashed up together when I’m trying to listen to speech, unable to pick out bits of grammar, thinking its instead maybe a word I’m unfamiliar with.

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The listening feature needs a single click way to show the meaning of the whole sentence in English to check I really did understand it. Or am I missing it?

Great update though. I am much more likely to use the cram feature for the listening practice alone! Thank you!

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Good catch! We noticed this the other day, should have it fixed super shortly

Currently you can cycle through the English via the Hint button on the lower left during reviews, but we talked about this earlier today and agreed that it wasn’t really optimal. Will internally test it a bit on Monday, but I think the best solution would just be to have the English information automatically show (in Reading/Review modes) once you hit your answer selection key. For Listening, we would have in place a hotkey ‘S’ to expand upon all English so when you’re ready to see it (after reading the JP text), it’s all there for you. You’d still have the ability to cycle via Hint if you wanted to though.

Awesome suggestion, we’ll probably use R and have it ready hopefully by Monday or so!

Outside of this, there is one “minor” change we’ve internally discussed that we’re likely to make, but it won’t be live until after JLPT just so we don’t mess up anyone’s study rhythm after using cram for the past few days.

Essentially, we’re going to change how self-grading works just a tiny bit. Instead of hypothetically pressing ‘Good’ twice, we’re going to initially have a ‘Show Answer’ button (which will replace the first set of AGAIN | HARD | GOOD) that the user can either press with the 1-2-3 keys, or via ENTER. Assuming it’ll work the way we’ve envisioned it, if the user hits 3 on the initial Show Answer stage, the 3 button prompt will automatically look like this once the three buttons show up with in the answered state.

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From there, the user can just hit 3 again and they’ll be on their way. We felt like the current way may be a bit unclear, and this helps to simplify it a lot more. This is a little hard to explain in writing haha, but I’m fairly confident it’ll be a welcomed change. After JLPT, assuming we go along with this, we’ll have the change ready for beta testing to get some feedback from you all on it. Nothings ever quite set in stone with stuff in Beta, which is half of the fun of doing stuff like this IMO!

Thanks again for everyone’s feedback and suggestions, it’s helping make this updated feature better day by day. Feel free to keep throwing any and all ideas, suggestions or complaints our way! We’d love to hear them.

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Great cram update, tried it out a bit already. :slight_smile:
One small thing that’s hopefully easy to add is a shuffle functionality. (unless that’s already a feature like the last time I was complaining :P) I was trying to cram the grammar points from N4-N2 to prepare a bit for the N2. This yields a list of ~600 items, but instead of randomly giving one it starts from N4 and goes to N2.
It’d be great if one could shuffle the items being reviewed to simulate real reading or listening better.

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Did it exhaust all of N4 before going onto N3 then N2? I did N4 + N3 yesterday for testing and I noticed too that oddly my first like 30ish reviews were all N4 and then it kind of was randomized there. Thought it was just insanely odd luck :joy: But yeah, any more information you have on this will be super helpful, looks like there is something janky going on that we’ll have to get to the bottom of.

Alright, I just did the first 3 reviews or something and those were some of the earlier N4 grammar points, so I assumed it would keep doing that.
I tried it with N1-N5 just now, and it took like ~30 reviews to get to the first N4 and ~60 reviews to get to the first N3 point with no N1 or N2 appearing.
Not sure how this works, but it seems to go through the sets in bunches as you described.

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Awesome, thanks for the added info! I’ll pass it along, hopefully nothing too crazy but this is why beta testing exists hahaha. Sorry about the slight inconvenience; if you want, you can switch back to the old cram style until then, your call.

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I know it’s been mentioned, but yeah the cram 2.0 needs a better shuffle algorithm. I’ve tried a few times loading up : Reading: N3 - L1- All sentences = The order is almost the same each time and similar grammar points are right next to each.

To add to the shuffle function though, it would be cool if there was maybe an aswer for ‘Skip’ which moves that question into the queue (Could also just reshuffle the remaining, and move onto the next question)

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First of all this update is really nice.

I could very well be missing it, but is there a way to mark grammar points that you find difficult during a cram session? I know if you get it wrong it’ll show up again at the end but I’d like a way to mark it somehow and then for future cram sessions be able to easily find these grammar points marked as needing more study. The ghost system is nice, but sometimes there are ones you get right which you still feel like you need more work on.

Edit: I’ve figured out a way to do it on my own, although I still think it would be a nice addition to the system if possible. If anyone is in the same situation and wants to know how: if you get a grammar point wrong, drop down the detailed grammar explanation and bookmark the grammar point. If you don’t have any others bookmarked then it’ll just form a list of grammar points you find difficult. Then in the cram menu go over in the ‘content to cram’ section to ‘special’ and choose the bookmarks option.

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Went and tried out some more cramming before the JLPT on a few grammar points, and I noticed it wasn’t really randomized. It did all the same grammar point for the first many items (I didn’t count how many), but it was enough that I thought it was going to go through all of the sentences (I had selected Complete mode). At some point it did switch to another grammar point and then started to feel a little random going back and forth.

I tried this with just two grammar points, then went back and tried just three grammar points and the same thing occurred. Just thought this was really weird and should really be looked into more

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Thank you. I’m not sure if it was discussed earlier in the topic, but would you be willing share what is the exact effect of choosing ‘Good’ rather than ‘Okay’?

In Anki, this might change the ‘ease factor’, but I’m not sure if there’s a similar value in Bunpro. In Anki, I never choose Easy or Hard. I only choose Good or Again so that the ease factor doesn’t change. It’s also less brain power to just choose right or wrong.

So the reason I’m really asking here is because I’d like to be able to simplify it for myself to choose a button I want to use by default to say that I got it right. And knowing the functionality of both will help with that.

Thank you for reading.

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Ah this is a really interesting point, something that we can add as a small disclaimer on the page or maybe on the site FAQ because I can see where you’re coming from.

There’s no real difference between Okay and Good, only thing is that in the summary page you are able to filter by each category. Say you had example A and example B. Example A was super easy for you and you got it right instantly. Example B took you awhile and you weren’t 100% sure of your answer when hitting submit.

In this scenario, when you go to your summary screen, you can spend some additional time quickly going back over the items in the Okay tab just for a second glance to make sure you’re now 100% confident.

That’s essentially it, in a nutshell. Cram has no impact on review SRS or anything like that, whatever happens there stays there. Again, great question! If you have any more feel free to throw them my way :bowing_man:

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Oh, this really clears things up, thank you so much!

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My cram sessions seem to get stuck at 1 remaining. Continuing the sessions results in an infinite “Loading cram session!” screen

Could this be somehow related to another bug I have been experiencing with the normal reviews. I have 7 reviews to do at the main dashboard, but when starting the review session, it says that I have no reviews to do, unless there are more than 7 reviews pending

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This happened to me yesterday when I started up a cram session in the last stage (where the “hard”/incorrect items are reviewed again). I got the review going again by selecting “finish session” in the context menu.

Not sure if you’re in the same situation, but maybe this will help :slight_smile:

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Is there a way to cram Kansai dialect grammar without having to search for them individually? It doesn’t have a section in “content to cram”.

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Hi there!
So I just did my first cram session on bunpro and was stomped on literally first question, but I don’t quite think I had enough info to asnwer :D.

So let’s consider this:

I have the hint level for reviews set to “nuance”, so that during those I only see the Japanese description of the grammar. But when I started cramming by typing the answers, I saw nothing. I took the screenshot above when I clicked on the hint later on.

So you can see that it’s asking me for a polite past negative here. How am I supposed to know that without the hint, though? It just says “polite” in the blank. You can’t magically infer the negative and the past from that :laughing:. If you answer é™ă‚ŠăŸă™ or é™ă‚ŠăŠă„ăŸă™ then, well, you’re marked as wrong.

Is this intended behavior? Should you have to disambiguate by clicking on “Hint” during crams?

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Hello,

I don’t know if this is still feasible but I was thinking of the possibility of including a random review mode (ăƒ©ăƒłăƒ€ăƒ ăƒąăƒŒăƒ‰), i.e. you would set the number of reviews you want to make (e.g. 10/20/50) and the system would select the items randomly from the ones you have already gone through.

みんăȘさん, would you deem this feature interesting? æ–‡ăƒ—ăƒ­ăźăƒăƒŒăƒ ă•ă‚“, would it be worthy of consideration?

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