GrammarInTheWild - October 2021

[Asher]

October 1st Translation

Notes :
Something that can be really difficult as an English speaker is knowing when to use ～ている vs ～た for things that have already happened. Although not a set rule, ～ている will usually be used over ～た for things that cannot happen twice (unless through some sort of intervention).
落ちている (to be fallen and laying on the ground, can’t fall again because it’s already on the ground).
死んでいる (to be dead, and not be able to die again).
来ている (to have arrived, and not be able to arrive again).
行っている (to have gone, and not be able to go again).
This is not a strict rule, but helps quite often!

[Asher]

October 2nd
～は～となっている

Text :
ごみの収集に支障となりますので駐車はご遠慮ください。

Notes :
Another bit of fine print for this one with the original sign in the background. While this does not have the same exact structure as the grammar point in question, it is still the same grammar point. Try to think about the verb tense, and what it could mean in this case.

[mathijsdm]

Rushed, need to leave for work in 5 min translation

Please refrain from parking here, so as not to obstruct garbage collection.

[EdBunpro]

I am beyond stumped on に支障となりますので.

ugh

I can guess that this is related to garbage collection and trying to restrain from having an obstruction in the parking lot. This example is EXACTLY why grammar is so important hahaha, stumped again.

Can’t wait to see others’ guesses

[Flavyouu]

Summary

Parking (here) will hinder garbage collection. Please don’t.

Lol my english is the problem

[blacktide]

Translation

@Asher

ごみの収集に支障となりますので駐車はご遠慮ください。

Since trash collection will be hindered, please refrain from parking.

More naturally - Please refrain from parking here, as it will impede trash collection.

Here’s some additional explanation for となる I gathered a while back:

～は～となっている - Grammar Discussion

Based on the post below on Japanese StackExchange, it seems that it’s the quotative particle, although I can’t find a good explanation to why. Here are some detailed nuances based on my studies. となる is similar to になる but with the following changes: となる can only be used with nouns. となる is more formal and not used often in conversation. となる has a dramatic tone. となる implies reaching a “final stage” as @jptr mentioned. It implies the stage requires a lot of work or was an extraordinary change. …

[FredKore]

Summary

ごみの収集に支障となりますので駐車はご遠慮ください。
Because it will become an obstacle for [interfere with] garbage collection, please refrain from parking [here].

[matt_in_mito]

Summary

Literal translation: there is interference with rubbish collection, so please refrain from parking here.
How I would translate the sign (in my super polite tone): This is a household waste collection area. In order to avoid any issues with regard to waste collection, we kindly request that you refrain from parking here.
More natural if this was the UK:
WASTE COLLECTION AREA
NO PARKING
Rude version: If you’re sat in your car and you can read this, move.

[HotAirGun]

...

Please do not park your cars here because it makes difficult to collect the garbage.

[s1212z]

T

Please restrain from parking (here) due to hinderance of garbage collection
Lit: It has been established parking (here) is a hinderance of garbage collection, please restrain (from doing so)

U

最近コロナウイルスワクチンの委任統治は米国の政府が強制となっている。

[SteveB]

Summary

“Please refrain from parking here, as it will interfere with rubbish collection”

[Asher]

October 2nd Translation

Notes :
The nuance here is very similar to ‘happen to be’ in English, in that it is making the sentence a little bit more polite by making it sound like the action does not have a direct person to blame. This is a very common theme with となる and it’s many different uses.

[Asher]

October 3rd
てほしい

Text :
見逃してほしけりゃあそこでキューロクエアーマックス買ってこいや

Help with slang for those that want it

けりゃ = ければ
こい = くる (imperative)
や = ！ (kansai-ben. Sometimes used as だ, sometimes just for exclamation)

[FredKore]

Summary

見逃してほしけりゃあそこでキューロクエアーマックス買ってこいや

If I want you to miss it, then go buy the Air Max over there!

I don’t get this one. I’ll be curious to see the translation for this because google says that this should be “If you want to miss it…”.
キューロクエアーマックス = Nike Air Max '95, according to google search, which sounds right for the era of the manga.

Edit: to be clear, I’m sure my translation is wrong, but I can’t make sense of how to make it right.

[matt_in_mito]

Summary

@Asher

けりゃ = ければ

I have literally never seen this before, but then again I don’t read manga so that might be the reason. I doubt people say it much in real life.

@FredKore

If I want you to miss it

I disagree. When I first saw this, my instinct was something like “If you want me to turn a blind eye” - I think that fits with the context.

@FredKore

キューロクエアーマックス = Nike Air Max '95, according to google search, which sounds right for the era of the manga.

Thank you. You’ve saved me time. I assume these are trainers (sneakers for my American cousins) so in my translation I’ll just go with ‘trainers’.

Summary within a summary! Summaryception!

Nice version: If you would like me to turn a blind eye [to what just happened], then go and buy those trainers over there for me.
This sentence uses the imperative form, so the more accurate translation would probably look more like this: Mate, if you want me to pretend like I haven’t seen [what just happened], you best go and get me them trainers over the road…

Wow, my inner Lancashire is really coming out in this thread…

[mathijsdm]

Woohoo, a manga that I own ^^

Translation : If you want us to overlook it, go buy some '95 air max over there.

A bit of context : This is at the start of the manga, right after he gets rejected for a job application and he’s caught looking up girls skirts at an escalator by two thugs. They threaten him for some air max.

Those air max were highly wanted by the way, article about sneakers in question :
エアマックス狩り - Wikipedia

Edit :

Also a quick thank you to this thread for giving me a reason to come back every day and not missing any reviews, finally have a 30-day streak

[FredKore]

2nd Attempt

Ah. I think it just clicked for me.
ほしい could mean “I want” or “you want”, but in subjectless Japanese, in a statement it usually means “I want” and in a question it means “you want”.
So then the same thing applies for 〜てほしい (but I’d only heard it used as “I want you to ~”). In a statement it’s “I want you to ~” and in a question it’s “do you want me to ~?”.
So, using ければ, it’s like asking for confirmation “is this the situation?”, so the subject is “you” not “I”.

So the translation is then:
If you want me to overlook it, then go buy the Air Max over there!

@matt_in_mito @mathijsdm Thanks for making me think about this again and for the context!

[EdBunpro]

Thanks for slang explanation Asher and Matt! This one was slightly easier than the other days’, although I did have to look up 見逃す

t

If you want me to overlook (whatever event just happened, go buy those air max’s over there.
(for me? - I assume this is left out because it’s a casual conversation)

[MZa]

Translation

If I wanted you to overlook, go and buy the kyuroku air max.

All this makes no sense…
Edit after reading you guys’ translations and comments: like FredKore I missed that the guy who want the other guy do something is not “I” but “You”. Now that makes sense… Thanks! So: “If you want me to overlook, go and buy the 95’s air max.”

Use case

ちゃんと説明してほしい。

[s1212z]

T

If I want to overlook over there then buy me curok air max (?).

I have no idea what キューロクエアーマックス is… エアーマックス comes up as a Nike shoe or something.

U

昨日一緒に話したのについて考えてほしいです。