東野圭吾の手紙

Hi community! I’ve been using Bunpro for the past 2-3 years and whilst I’ve always been passively scrolling through the forum, this is my first post that I would like to seek advice (or motivation) from.

Recently my sensei introduced a book of an author that passed not too long ago (as the subject suggest). I thought given that I’m working in a Japanese company, in a dominantly Japanese department immersed with their daily emails and conversations in Japanese, surely I would be able to try and read this book somewhat.

Literally went and bought the book off Kinokuniya this evening and I’m utterly humbled.
I barely understood the context (mostly from my advantage in kanji since they are similar in Chinese language). the ones I can read, I barely made heads or tails of it.

I literally laughed to myself when I read half the page realising that the “financial asset” the author was talking about…was actually the name of his brother.

It really put a damper to my motivation after 14 pages…would like to humbly ask if anyone has faced similar situations before? How did you get through this phase? I reckon it’s similar to me struggling with English as a kid reading through literature and getting better over time, but I dont get that similar luxury as an adult cramming Japanese to a business level for the sake of my career (and hobby)…

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the first like 20 pages of a book are always crazy hard for me, while I get a feel for the prose, setting, narrative style, and other details.

I would say dont take the first 14 pages as anything other than a warm up!

Have you read a book in Japanese before? The first few are also usually rough. Getting used to Japanese in a completely different medium just takes getting used to, no matter how good your Japanese is.

Something I do to help me along is set timers for like 10 mins while I read. After 10 mins, I can stop and have a break, or if I’m actually getting into it, I just keep going. Breaking the reading up with a timer helps me feel less defeated when I don’t get anything. I feel like when I understand how much time I put into something, it feels less hopeless, somehow?

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Welcome!

As cafelatte says, the beginning of books can be hard, either due to not being used to the writing style or the fact there is no context. Lots of authors also like to show off a bit at the start but calm down quite a lot when things get going.

As for 東野圭吾, I’ve read and enjoyed a couple of his books (容疑者Xの献身 and 白夜行). His books are quite fun and have some decent writing for mystery novels. The difficulty level is quite typical of normal modern mystery novels, so if that is the sort of thing you’re interested in then I’d recommend sticking it out! It will get a lot easier the more you read :muscle:

By the way, some of his works have TV or film versions, I am pretty sure, so you could always try watching them prior to reading for some extra context.

This is a good tip - I have also used timeboxing and variations of it in the past and it has always helped

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Welcome!
To elaborate on what everyone is saying about the first few pages being rough in a book. This is a phenomenon across most of Japanese writing, not just books, but books, especially novels, biographies and other narrative works, are, in my experience, where the feeling is starkest. Japanese is incredibly context heavy, so once you have context, sentences can be as short as just the verb, but without context you have sentences with a dozen particles, and subclauses two lines long in order to make the sentence even make sense at all.
One of the first light novels I read, ゼロの使い魔、opens with a sentence that starts by talking about the sky behind a person, goes on to talk about the appearance of the person in front of the sky, the narrator being on the ground, the landscape surrounding them, and eventually gets to the point of “someone I don’t recognise is peering down at me and asking me a question.” As someone who had just gotten into Japanese fiction, I was very confused at first.
Jay Rubin puts this excellently in his ‘Making Sense of Japanese’ essay ‘Progressive Simplification’, where he talks about this at the sentence level:

As we move along through a Japanese sentence, we find that smaller units turn out to be parts of larger units. This does not make things more complicated, but rather the reverse: the sentence reduces itself to larger and simpler units as it goes along. It gets progressively simpler, rather than more complicated. No matter how long it is, and no matter how many nouns and particles and whatnot it may contain, any modifying clause is just an adjective if it ends up modifying a noun or an adverb if it ends up modifying a verb.

The jist is that Japanese is written towards clarification and resolution at the end of a statement. This occurs at the sentence level, but also the textual level. Everything written down is providing detail and context to what comes after. This means that when you start a new book, you’re slammed with fresh context, which manifests in complex sentences and phrases which are all to put into context everything you’re about to read thereafter. By the time you hit the meat of a text, sentences are reduced to one or two particles, and a verb. Light novels often don’t even tag who’s speaking in a dialogue heavy scene, because you have enough context to know who said what.

To conclude, feeling lost and confused is entirely reasonable and less a sign of being illiterate in Japanese, and more a sign of not being used to Japanese writing conventions. This gets compounded by your level of Japanese, which just adds more places for you to get confused than a typical reader, but working your way through a text should slowly solidify things piece by piece for you, including, like you experienced with the narrator’s brother’s name, correcting mistakes you made in your initial reading.
Everyone else is right in saying that sticking it out will in fact make it easier over time.

Note: This is not to suggest that Japanese fiction doesn’t do In Media Res, it absolutely does, but when you get to the first breakpoint in the story, almost always the text will slow down to contextualise everything for you.

Note the second: Putting it like this makes it sound like this is some Japanese-only phenomenon. It isn’t, all languages do this at a textual level, we’re all familiar with the Film Noir trope of the narrator taking his time to describe everything happening in front of him, but Japanese narrative style relies on it more heavily than most mainstream authors in English could afford to. As Rubin puts it

Anticipation is crucial for the efficient functioning of all languages. … [it is] not a feature unique to Japanese, though Japanese seems to tolerate more suspense than English as it moves along, leaving more judgements and distinctions suspended in anticipation of later clarification, than English would allow.

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Hi all, thank you so much for the comments! the time boxing suggested by cafelatte seems like a good idea which I will try!

I haven’t watched any of his works before, though I have been getting familiar with Japanese drama in general. I know that reading literature would be a step up, but it is still quite intense! I appreciate the detail comments shared and yes definitely agree that this phenomenon does not exist just in Japanese novels. I am holding on to faith and time that I will get through this phase!

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yuuup I definitely felt this in “kokuhaku,” a book about murder and revenge, where the text starts off with a description of a government programme to distribute milk to students lol. The first chapter was definitely very challenging.

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A common maxim is ‘if you want to stay consistent, keep it interesting’. So with that idea, I bought a history book on a topic I already have some knowledge of. I thought, “look, it even has diagrams! I can understand a diagram!” As I sat down for my first reading/translation session, all bushy tailed and excited… I could not make it past the first sentence of the introduction. Even the sheer scale of the first sentence was daunting. A far cry from [AがBです。], lol - talk about a wake up call… :sweat_smile: Like a getting hit in the face with a grouper.

As for motivation, coping strategies… well… I dunno. I’ve always seen people angrily say “deal with it” is not good/proper/helpful advice, but that’s kinda my go to. It’s a simple question of “do you want to do this or not”? For me the answer was still yes. Yeah, getting stymied sucks. Yeah, I’ll have to come to terms with the book being a much slower burn than I was planning, but… I dunno. I just deal with it and chip away at it in miniscule amounts. My progress goals are measures in sentences, not pages.

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I feel like “deal with it” is usually met with anger because it is often so flippant of people’s situation without giving real advice, but it can be perfectly valid advice when the question is like “is this hard for everyone or just me?” and the answer is more or less only “yes its hard for everyone and the only way forward is essentially just doing it until it gets less hard”

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It’s like the two types of gym motivation.
“No pain, no gain” is flippant and puts people off. You already know it sucks, that doesn’t help motivate you.
“You want to do this, but it’s gonna be difficult. But it’s difficult for everyone else here too, even the people who’ve gotten good at it, and we’re all gonna support you as you struggle alongside us. So we can all get better at it.” acknowledges the struggle, gives you community support, all while still basically saying “no pain, no gain”

It’s the same here, we all have gotten completely stymied by a book being too hard to read, even the N1 folks, and we’ll happily commiserate while still telling you to hit the books :joy:

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